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knudlen
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Originally posted by jdbolick
Originally posted by Ts-Rock

Bluenoses could go either way, they are the Grand Forks Falcons of the East. Good team with good players, but just haven't got it done this season

Against S.W.O. we were better at running and passing, but we had two turnovers and they had none. Plus they had a untackleable tank thanks to Season 7. 21 missed tackles is absurd for a team with solid tackling builds and everyone on wrap-up. I have no idea what's wrong with our passing game this season, though, aside from the obvious issue of underleveled receivers.


im sure you can find something from season 7 to blame it on. dont give up!
 
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No, I blame that on one starter asking me if he could be released to retire (which I agreed to), his intended replacement signing somewhere else without notice, and having absolutely no luck recruiting anyone else that late in the off-season (or since). Still, I wouldn't have expected a QB with a build like mine to suck as much as he does.

The Season 7 bitching is separate, and completely valid. Bort screwed up the sim worse than ever, but hopefully Season 8 will get things back in the right direction.
 
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funny, everything that worked for my team in season 6 worked in season 7. go figure!
 
jdbolick
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Originally posted by knudlen
funny, everything that worked for my team in season 6 worked in season 7. go figure!

Judging by Grand Forks, you're not exactly telling the truth there. Kingston continues to dominate because the players are just that damn good, not because you're so brilliant. There's really no use in pretending that a lot of things didn't change for Season 7, and judging by the unprecedented level of complaining on the forums, many or most people feel that those changes were for the worse. Some teams were able to overcome those obstacles and they should be proud of that. Others weren't, and it's understandable for them to hope that Season 8 will bring back a balance of builds and make AI more important again. I don't suppose we'll know until we see them in action, but I think that Custom Defensive Plays will be a huge step in the right direction.
 
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grand forks i do a minimum of scouting for a few matchups, and i wasnt associated with them at all last season. nice try though.

and unprecedented level of complaining? please. just because you pay more attention and complain more yourself it just looks more. its exactly the same amount of complaining as always. stop griping and learn how to gameplan that doesnt involve whatever the flavor of the week build is, and youll be fine.
 
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Originally posted by knudlen
grand forks i do a minimum of scouting for a few matchups, and i wasnt associated with them at all last season.

The point is that you are associated with them this season and you're in the middle of the pack against similarly leveled teams. As stated elsewhere, Dmac isn't my favorite person, but it's pretty undeniable that the guy does a great job of game-planning and has achieved more with less than you have with Grand Forks. Frankly, I was surprised when scouting Kingston that your gameplans are so generic and predictable. It's a measure of how damn good the players are that everyone can see what simple things you do and yet no one can stop it.

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its exactly the same amount of complaining as always. stop griping and learn how to gameplan that doesnt involve whatever the flavor of the week build is, and youll be fine.

Judging from your posts, I'm guessing that you're a teenager and that "being good at GLB" is basically the highlight of your life thus far. I'm not saying you shouldn't feel good about being GM for successful teams on an internet game, but you're displaying a sense of entitlement and condescension that frankly is a little amusing given what we're talking about. If I didn't put value on this game then I wouldn't be spending money on it, but "being good at GLB" isn't something many of us would put in a eulogy.

In any case, it's silly to pretend that there hasn't been more complaining this season. Clearly there has been, as even the mods would tell you, and any denial of that obvious fact undermines credibility. If you want to, you could certainly argue that the increased complaints are unjustified, as that's more subjective and debatable. For me, I detest Season 7 precisely because game-planning has become vastly less important. I don't mind being beaten by teams that do something creative because I can admire their skill and perhaps learn from it. But it's annoying to be beaten by a team that only uses a handful of plays and whose AI must be incredibly simplistic. That's not to take anything away from the agents who built their players very well (obviously better than my own), but less strategy makes for less fun, at least for me. I liked last season when things were more balanced and you could beat teams doing a variety of things. Sometimes I'd go with a pass heavy AI and sometimes I'd go run heavy. This season there are only a handful of things that work, which is why you and so many others don't even bother to make more than superficial changes to your gameplans from week to week. That's boring to me, but apparently it isn't boring to you.
 
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wrong on pretty much all counts. keep trying though! again, I scouted like 5 games for grand forks this season, and gave inyoface some other pointers here and there. i couldnt tell you the names of any of their players off the top of my head, and i didnt set a single play or AI myself. So I'm really not sure how Grand forks this season when i did a small bit of scouting, vs grand forks last season when i had nothing to do with the team at all, has anything to do with the season 7 changes.

In terms of Kingston, yes a large part of our success is the player builds. Thats my fucking point. Same builds as season 6 going into season 7. No power backs, no strength DEs, no flavor of the week, yet we still are undefeated because I recruited solid, non-gimmicky players. Just like our AI, solid and not gimmicky. though id be surprised if you actually scouted more than 1 of our games, if you'd call our offensive AI simple. And again, your point is my point youre just too invested in your idea of SEASON 7 IS BROKE THE SKY IS FALLING to even realize it. My defensive gameplan is EXACTLY the same as it was in season 6. I've literally changed 1 thing. Being solid isnt new to season 7, sir. And while the offensive side of the ball is as fluid game to game as our defense is static, thats exactly the same way i gameplanned in season 6 as well. My point is, i've done nothing different from season 6, my players havent done anything different with their builds, and the results haven't been different either. If you'd get off the idea of having to change your entire team based on whatever the top strategy is this week, and just do stuff that works consistantly, maybe you'ld be able to do better than a 62-3 loss against us 'simple' teams that use a BBB AI against you.

And frankly, i'm pretty much awesome at everything, and GLB is pretty simple so i don't really take an over amount of pride in it. I'm more amazed at people like you who just dont ever seem to learn than proud that i've been able to grasp such simple and straight forward concepts.
 
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Originally posted by knudlen
In terms of Kingston, yes a large part of our success is the player builds.

Pretty much all of it. Nothing you do from a gameplan perspective is inventive or even varied. Yes I did scout multiple games, and I saw a preponderance of about 5-8 offensive plays run throughout all of them. I'm not saying you only ran 5-8 plays, but two thirds to three quarters of the time it was those plays, with assorted others sprinkled in situationally. Based on your winning streak I had hoped to learn from watching your games, but unfortunately I didn't learn anything aside from the fact that the team has a lot of really good players.

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Thats my fucking point.

No it wasn't, but I understand why you're trying to change your story now. You said "stop griping and learn how to gameplan," but now you acknowledge that game-planning has little to do with success in Season 7. If you have certain types of builds, you succeed. If you don't, you won't. I thought Season 6 had a better balance between builds and strategy.

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I recruited solid, non-gimmicky players.

Does anyone else on Kingston share responsibility for the team's success or did you do everything yourself? Moreover, you're not making a compelling case. I'm sure lots of people wanted the players who joined Kingston, so it's not like you're Bill Belichick turning underappreciated players into dominating playmakers. The fact that so much of this game depends on having a network of people who you can convince to join your team over someone else's isn't good.

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My defensive gameplan is EXACTLY the same as it was in season 6. I've literally changed 1 thing.

I appreciate you making my points for me. That's awfully considerate and saves me some time. The fact that you don't change anything both shows that game-planning isn't important enough and that Kingston isn't winning because of you.

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And frankly, i'm pretty much awesome at everything

Hilarious.
 
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damn what did i miss lawlz, who pissed in whos cereal?
 
knudlen
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im not at work anymore so sadly i dont care enough to argue, but i love how youve abandoned anything resembling a point to just launch personal attacks at me. talk about being too invested in glb.
 
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lol i do miss our li'l piffs
 
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Originally posted by knudlen
im not at work anymore so sadly i dont care enough to argue

Translation: "I see that I'm losing badly and can't think of a way to salvage this embarrassment, so I'm going to cut my losses and run away."
 
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Originally posted by jdbolick
Originally posted by knudlen

im not at work anymore so sadly i dont care enough to argue

Translation: "I see that I'm losing badly and can't think of a way to salvage this embarrassment, so I'm going to cut my losses and run away."


Dude, why do you have to be an arrogant prick to everyone?
 
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Originally posted by knudlen
wrong on pretty much all counts. keep trying though! again, I scouted like 5 games for grand forks this season, and gave inyoface some other pointers here and there. i couldnt tell you the names of any of their players off the top of my head, and i didnt set a single play or AI myself. So I'm really not sure how Grand forks this season when i did a small bit of scouting, vs grand forks last season when i had nothing to do with the team at all, has anything to do with the season 7 changes.

In terms of Kingston, yes a large part of our success is the player builds. Thats my fucking point. Same builds as season 6 going into season 7. No power backs, no strength DEs, no flavor of the week, yet we still are undefeated because I recruited solid, non-gimmicky players. Just like our AI, solid and not gimmicky. though id be surprised if you actually scouted more than 1 of our games, if you'd call our offensive AI simple. And again, your point is my point youre just too invested in your idea of SEASON 7 IS BROKE THE SKY IS FALLING to even realize it. My defensive gameplan is EXACTLY the same as it was in season 6. I've literally changed 1 thing. Being solid isnt new to season 7, sir. And while the offensive side of the ball is as fluid game to game as our defense is static, thats exactly the same way i gameplanned in season 6 as well. My point is, i've done nothing different from season 6, my players havent done anything different with their builds, and the results haven't been different either. If you'd get off the idea of having to change your entire team based on whatever the top strategy is this week, and just do stuff that works consistantly, maybe you'ld be able to do better than a 62-3 loss against us 'simple' teams that use a BBB AI against you.

And frankly, i'm pretty much awesome at everything, and GLB is pretty simple so i don't really take an over amount of pride in it. I'm more amazed at people like you who just dont ever seem to learn than proud that i've been able to grasp such simple and straight forward concepts.


Dude, he is not even worth the time. Last season he tried to call me a "teenager" also when I told him I was a grown man serving in the military he STFU (he is a one trick pony well, two really make sure your spelling is correct because at night time he is an English major). He was clowned on in many threads in BBB... Since we have been here he has been pretty quite maybe he felt as though people forgot how much of a tool he could be with his long novel posts (that no one reads anyway) so, he had to felt important again lol
 
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just throwing my 2 cents in.....

1. I do agree that there has been way more negative out cry this season then in the past........buuuuuuut I think it is a very loud and pouting minority rather than the majority of GLBers.

2. Originally posted by jdbolick
For me, I detest Season 7 precisely because game-planning has become vastly less important.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=316011
Gaffney - 28
Richmond - 34
I'm sure game planning had nothing to do with a team that avg. 13 levels lower beat the #1 undefeated team in the league.

3. Originally posted by jdbolick
The fact that you don't change anything both shows that game-planning isn't important enough and that Kingston isn't winning because of you.

- you assume his game plan is crap, but if you have a 33-game win streak, a championship caliber team with a great game plan, why change it? I am sure knudlen, like many of us tweak our base game plans to attack our opponents weakness, but I disagree if you are saying you should build a new AI from the ground up to every game.
I have watched film on every opponent we have played and adjusted our Off game plan accordingly. Some have been adjusted more than others, but it is still game planning.
I guess I might not be understanding what you are calling game planning?

4. Originally posted by jdbolick
But it's annoying to be beaten by a team that only uses a handful of plays and whose AI must be incredibly simplistic.
This season there are only a handful of things that work, which is why you and so many others don't even bother to make more than superficial changes to your game plans from week to week. That's boring to me, but apparently it isn't boring to you.

- so you have gone 6-7 this season cause you refuse to evolve as the game evolves and go with a more incredibly simplistic AI. I bet the agents on your team love that! Look at the NFL, you think when Bill Walsh invented the West Coat Offense and was winning Super Bowls all the other teams decided they weren't going to use cause it was different than the season before. Hell No, every single team in the NFL has some form of the West Coast Offense installed in their play calls. Look at the 2 RB trend now in the NFL. Almost every team has a dual threat in the backfield!

5. Originally posted by jdbolick
That's not to take anything away from the agents who built their players very well (obviously better than my own), but less strategy makes for less fun, at least for me. I liked last season when things were more balanced and you could beat teams doing a variety of things. Sometimes I'd go with a pass heavy AI and sometimes I'd go run heavy.

- Last season you were in BBB and you were playing against BBB competition. I do believe the season started with a level 21 cap, right? In lower levels you can win with crappy builds that are high levels. In our first season we probably had the highest levels in the league and won the #1 seed, but we had a LOT of crappy builds! When you start to play with competition in the 30's and higher your builds play a HUGE role. If you think that great game planning with crappy builds will beat great builds with incredibly simplistic game planning then I guess you will got 6-7.

6. Originally posted by jdbolick
...but less strategy makes for less fun, at least for me.

- less strategy = more wins, which = more fun for me!

7. Originally posted by jdbolick
But it's annoying to be beaten by a team that only uses a handful of plays and whose AI must be incredibly simplistic.
This season there are only a handful of things that work, which is why you and so many others don't even bother to make more than superficial changes to your game plans from week to week. That's boring to me, but apparently it isn't boring to you.

- winnings isn't boring to me



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