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You dont have to buy that argument. that is not my argument.

my argument is that as a high level player, I would want to be the best of the BEST. Not the best of the mediocre, or the best of the minor leagues.

To be the best you have to play against the best. this is the argument most people have with the BCS.

I imagine it to be like many teams being pro-caliber, but only paying HS teams, maybe a college team or two, and one other pro team. You cant be the best pro team if your playign only teams well below your station.

Hawaii went undefeated last NCAA football season. they by far were not the best college team, because people recognize they werent exactly playing top tier teams.

As a high level player, I would want to play on the best team, but "best" would include not only ability of teammates, but coaching ability, friendships, a location I like, pay, and a number of other factors one of which could be, to your point, quality of oponents. However, each player is going to rank these many factors how he wants to and there is no right answer. Jerry Rice chose a historically black college, enrollment 2700 students, Missisisppi Valley State University. They play in the SWAC. Their opponents are far from the best.

Yet Jerry Rice is still the best receiver I ever saw. He's the best and he played for MVSU. 'Nuff said.

Right, But eventually Jerry Rice moved on to play against players that were of his caliber. And that is how we talk of jerry rice when we talk about him being the "best" . Jerry competed agaisnt teams that challenged his particular skills set.

currently GLB is set up to keep Jerry Rice at Mississippi Valley State and compete against other not so great teams that are for, whatever reasons, in various states of development. Something in GLB needs to encourage players that are Jerry Rice-like to move on out of Missippi Valley State, and start playing for the 49ers. in its current configuration, Jerry Rice would not be the "best" that we speak of him today.

its alot liek that old commercial of the kid with the hurdles. early on, maybe its a challenge, but at some point, jumping 6 inch hurdles isnt an accomplishment at all, and eventually when you HAVE to move on to the high hurdles, you dotn know how to handle it.

I don't agree. Last season we were in BBB, and the competition level in A is dramatically higher than BBB. Next season we'll be in AA, and the competition there is dramatically higher than here. GLB moves the good teams up to higher competition in a hurry.

Also, the scrimmage feature allows teams that are mismatched to play at a higher level. Last season we were in BBB and had a bunch of easy games there but we played a number of scrimmages against opponents near our level, so by setting up scrimmages we increased our level of competition dramatically.

Jerry Rice if I remember correctly played 4 years college. At the end of 4 seasons, which will take about 5 months, we'll be Pro too.

Originally posted by gijosh
Im less concerned with teams staying around, but you know those few individuals that could obviously get signed with a team more appropriate to their lvl.

As far as wanting to go with a winning team, I can see where anyone would want to be there, but What ims aying is, how much of a champion are you really, if the only reason youre goin 16-0 every season is youre playing maybe 3 teams near youre level, and the rest are just stat padding games.

Im not talking about teams as a whole. Im talkign about individual playes

That I agree with.

Originally posted by Sly
I don't agree. Last season we were in BBB, and the competition level in A is dramatically higher than BBB. Next season we'll be in AA, and the competition there is dramatically higher than here. GLB moves the good teams up to higher competition in a hurry.

Also, the scrimmage feature allows teams that are mismatched to play at a higher level. Last season we were in BBB and had a bunch of easy games there but we played a number of scrimmages against opponents near our level, so by setting up scrimmages we increased our level of competition dramatically.

Jerry Rice if I remember correctly played 4 years college. At the end of 4 seasons, which will take about 5 months, we'll be Pro too.
Im not talking about teams. Im talking about individual players. these are two completeley different arguments.

games that dont count, well.. dont count. scrimmages have no affect ont his argument imo.

Jerry rice played 4 yrs in college, but Missippi valley State didn move on fromt eh SWAC, just jerry. this is my whole point. because GLB doesnt ENCOURAGE individual PLAYERS to move into higher level'd competetion, there will be continued parity at intermediate and lower level divisions.
until they do a complete scrubbing, and people stop gutting teams, the problem continues.
Howeverm my solution only works if players have integrity to know when they should move on and start playing in divisions due their own skill level. not waiting aroudn until their division is full of gutted and rebuilding teams to "win"

Jerry Rice moved on because he had to, there were no more years of eligibility. in the current GLB setup, jerry would have been int eh SWAC until he retired, no doubt settign ridiculous records, waiting for his team to move onto divisonI.
The difference is that Jerry was a competitor, and chose to try his skills agaisnt opponents that were an actual challenge.

I have to agree with gijosh on this issue. His team shouldn't be here; they belong in BBB still, but they're here now. I guess you shouldn't have won so many games last season and you wouldn't have this problem! Look up in down the USA leagues and you'll see Level 40+ players at every league level; who ever signs them; gets them. That's all that matters. Levels mean nothing without AI and proper player builds.

If you're so big on levels, I have a team in BBB that would be interested in smoking your higher level team?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/compare_teams.pl?team1=758&team2=917

Of course there's an example of how higher levels doesn't exactly mean a better team; however, that game would be a lot prettier than when you face Mentone Beach in Week 1!!!!!

Hmm, well you state that you're agreeing with gilosh, but you're making mostly the same points I'm making, and refuting gilosh's points:

I say, "I think everyone tries to recruit and put on the field the best team they can."
You say, "ook up in down the USA leagues and you'll see Level 40+ players at every league level; who ever signs them; gets them. That's all that matters."

Seems like we agree.

I say, "Some teams try a "slow build" strategy believing their lower level players will eventually emerge into a team with better builds who will have the advantage...All are part of the game, and the most successful teams at recruiting, retaining, build advice, money management, tactics and game planning (and some luck) end up champions."
You say, "Levels mean nothing without AI and proper player builds...Of course there's an example of how higher levels doesn't exactly mean a better team"

Again we agree.

Originally posted by gijosh
Jerry Rice moved on because he had to, there were no more years of eligibility. in the current GLB setup, jerry would have been int eh SWAC until he retired, no doubt settign ridiculous records, waiting for his team to move onto divisonI.
The difference is that Jerry was a competitor, and chose to try his skills agaisnt opponents that were an actual challenge.

No actually Jerry didn't choose his Pro team - he was drafted 16th overall. The only team he chose was his college team, and while at college he chose to play against inferior competition for as long as possible. But you know what, that was the team he wanted to be on for his own reasons, and it doesn't take away from his greatness at all. Had he never gone Pro, he would still have been the greatest receiver ever, just most people wouldn't have realized it.

What you need to "get" is that GLB is much more like college than the Pros. Yea, we "simulate" money, but none of us are actually paid anything. If you want to correct things by offering competitive salaries to guys that get in the Pros then I'll be happy to take your money and try my hardest to play in the Pro leagues. Until you start forking over the dough, however, I'm going to treat this much more like college and like Jerry Rice in college I'm going to play for the team I like for my own reasons, and expect you to respect that and not criticize others and think they should all do things your way or the way you happen to choose teams.

Originally posted by Sly
Hmm, well you state that you're agreeing with gilosh, but you're making mostly the same points I'm making, and refuting gilosh's points:

I say, "I think everyone tries to recruit and put on the field the best team they can."
You say, "ook up in down the USA leagues and you'll see Level 40+ players at every league level; who ever signs them; gets them. That's all that matters."

Seems like we agree.

I say, "Some teams try a "slow build" strategy believing their lower level players will eventually emerge into a team with better builds who will have the advantage...All are part of the game, and the most successful teams at recruiting, retaining, build advice, money management, tactics and game planning (and some luck) end up champions."
You say, "Levels mean nothing without AI and proper player builds...Of course there's an example of how higher levels doesn't exactly mean a better team"

Again we agree.

Oh I thought he was trying to say his team didn't deserve to be at this level of competition. I took him for the typical owner from any league outside the USA where they think it says BBB or A and that means you're a lower level team. Considering A and BBB started at the same time and were uncapped unlike most leagues in GLB; there is no real difference between each league level. I'm not saying the best teams aren't in the Pros, but there are quality teams littered through the USA leagues.

Mentone Beach started here in A8 and faced all sorts of tough teams while here. My team in Anchorage started in BBB and was bumped up to A last season and then bumped to AA this season with all of the teams folding. I know for a fact that Mentone is a better team level wise and I know their player builds and tactics are close to the same, but Mentone is the better team; however, due to teams folding people are moved up.

So here we have gijosh complaining about league averages which has nothing to do with caps since those never existed in USA; they only reference what the league averages are. If you're not up to par, go play in Eastern Europe!!!!!

Originally posted by jpjn94



Mentone Beach started here in A8 and faced all sorts of tough teams while here.

Are you drunk again , this is A6!!!!

Hey it's New Year's Eve - who's not drunk!??

Originally posted by Sly
Originally posted by gijosh

Jerry Rice moved on because he had to, there were no more years of eligibility. in the current GLB setup, jerry would have been int eh SWAC until he retired, no doubt settign ridiculous records, waiting for his team to move onto divisonI.
The difference is that Jerry was a competitor, and chose to try his skills agaisnt opponents that were an actual challenge.

No actually Jerry didn't choose his Pro team - he was drafted 16th overall. The only team he chose was his college team, and while at college he chose to play against inferior competition for as long as possible. But you know what, that was the team he wanted to be on for his own reasons, and it doesn't take away from his greatness at all. Had he never gone Pro, he would still have been the greatest receiver ever, just most people wouldn't have realized it.

What you need to "get" is that GLB is much more like college than the Pros. Yea, we "simulate" money, but none of us are actually paid anything. If you want to correct things by offering competitive salaries to guys that get in the Pros then I'll be happy to take your money and try my hardest to play in the Pro leagues. Until you start forking over the dough, however, I'm going to treat this much more like college and like Jerry Rice in college I'm going to play for the team I like for my own reasons, and expect you to respect that and not criticize others and think they should all do things your way or the way you happen to choose teams.

Never said Jerry chose his pro team, i said he moved on to play opponents that were more to his level, rather tan stay on a college team and play sub-par opponents.

Yea, and as I said, he made millions (real life dollars not simulated) to move on. When he wasn't making millions, he was playing against lesser competition. You pay everyone in the Pro Leagues six-figures (real life dollars not simulated) and things will change the way you want. Till then, recognize that GLB is more like college in how players pick teams.

I’d like to win USA pro, but I’d also like to do that with a bunch of friends. When the previous team Sly and I played on folded after the owner went AWOL, I had several; I mean hundreds of offers to play pro. Seriously, hundreds!

But I felt loyalty to Sly, and some other guys from that team. This is our shot to fight our way to the top of GLB. He can use my players to get there, then we’ll replenish our roster and stick right there in USA pro. To get to the top and stay at the top you’ve got to have a group of guys that will stick together and “buy in” to a team philosophy. That’s builds, tactics, strategy, the whole ball of wax.

To the teams that we blow out, sorry. To the teams that beat us, congratulations. You’ve beat a great team. I don’t really care to just build players and join with bunch of strangers. I’m putting my guys on a Sly owned team because I know they’ll always be on a winner.

Always.

Sly talks the talk, but he can walk the walk too. If you were smart you’d get a few guys on Corpus or at least pm him for advice. Now, that would be a bitter pill for some of you, since you’ve lost so many flame wars to the Chuck Norris of GLB message boards, but he’s also a forgiving sort. Try it!

Plus, if you’re in his city he buys the drinks and will take you to a bar full of bikini clad Romanian chicks, one of which turned down my marriage proposal. I still haven’t got over that


Happy New Year All !!