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Klydon
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Originally posted by felixtovar

As for the second comment, though Texas historically has a 'better' football team and program, I don't know how you could say that an 11-1 team is a "team they had no business losing to."

Full disclosure: I am a UT alum and a die-hard football and basketball fan. That said, my real beef is with those in the Big 12 that made the decision to have the BCS, a system with the sole and only purpose to relegate the two national title contenders, to determine who would play in the Big 12 championship game.

How could they not foresee or even play out a scenario in which something like this would happen? Both OU and Texas have been playing well for 10 years now and something like this was bound to happen. As for all the PR bullshit and politiking of the coaches and running up the score, if anything, Stoops played the game better than Brown and that is why the computers gave OU the advantage. I get all that, I just blame those that used a flawed system to determine the winner of the conference. It becomes more about politics and computers than what actually happened on the field. Who honestly thought the Giants would beat the 18-0 Patriots? That is why the game is played, it should be about what happened during the course of the year ON THE FIELD. Otherwise, it just seems to negate what happened during the season. This scenario would never happen in the pro game and shouldn't happen in college.


I can say that about Texas losing to a Tech team that while very good, everyone realizes they are somewhat of a paper tiger in that their defense is not the same caliber as their offense is. Mizzou has the same issues. The reason that OK or Texas would beat the crap out of Mizzou is Mizzou can score on anyone and stop no one for the most part. Both OK and Texas have very well rounded squads. They can beat you with offense and/or defense. Whatever your alum status is, you have to admit that both Texas and OU are very close to each other while Tech is a distant third.

I don't like the BCS system, but it is the rules for now. Hopefully some day, there will be a real playoff system, but who knows when that will be. No matter who was picked (Texas or OU) the other team and fans were going to be pissed. Both have legit claims and both have downsides. As an outsider to all of it and no dog in the fight, for my money, they got it right. Texas not only lost, but got blown out to a team they had no business losing to. That has to weigh heavily upon the minds of anyone in the decision process regardless of a close head to head win over OU, especially when OU goes out and destroys Tech.

Like any sports, they have to draw the line someplace on who makes it and who doesn't or what is the point? I remember some 100 win baseball teams in the past not making the playoffs while another team from another area made the playoffs that had a much inferior record. IMO, it should be Texas and OU for the Big 12 championship because both teams are clearly the best teams in all of the big 12, but it doesn't work that way, so we get OU in a likely blow out of Mizzou.
 
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Originally posted by kb2120
Texas Tech is also within 5 ( at #7 ) of Texas so you are back to all 3 being 1-1 head to head.


"In this case, the head-to-head results of the top two ranked tied teams shall determine the representative in the SEC Championship Game."
 
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"Texas not only lost, but got blown out to a team they had no business losing to."

Just wondering if you actually saw the game. Texas lost one game. They lost to Tech 39-33 on the last play of the game. With about 9 seconds left, Texas safety Blake Gideon dropped a sure interception that would have had Texas win 33-32. On the last play of the game, Harrell threw a 28 yard TD strike to the best WR in college Crabtree and shook two tacklers for the winning score. I don't know how a blowout consists of a touchdown on the last play of the game. According to this I don't see how your argument holds water ("[A blowout] has to weigh heavily upon the minds of anyone in the decision process regardless of a close head to head win over OU, especially when OU goes out and destroys Tech." -You curiously talk of a "close" 10 point win over OU, then speak of a blowout 6 point win against Texas.).

"Whatever your alum status is, you have to admit that both Texas and OU are very close to each other while Tech is a distant third."

Not sure I entirely agree with this statement because of the offense they have. So what if they can't stop you, they have proven they can come back on anyone at any time. That is why they are always dangerous. Case in point was last year's Gator Bowl. With 3:31 left in regulation, Tech scored two TDs and kicked the winning field goal with :07 left on the clock. That is 17 points in three and a half minutes! Done against a 9-3 Virginia team with ACC coach of the year Al Groh and all-american DE Chris Long. If nothing else, Tech is the most dangerous team in the Big 12 just because they never stop playing.

As for OU putting a whipping on them. Leach was on Stoops staff for a couple of years and knows Leach and his offense. That helps considerably when playing against Tech.

"I don't like the BCS system, but it is the rules for now."

My point was that the Big 12 uses it as the determining factor for picking which team goes to the title game in case of a tie. No other big conference does that which is why I think the blame goes on the Big 12. As for the BCS otherwise, yeah, there are several problems with it.
 
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BCS DECLARES GERMANY WINNER OF WORLD WAR II
US Ranked 4th

After determining the Big-12 championship game participants the BCS
computers were put to work on other major contests and today the BCS
declared Germany to be the winner of World War II.

"Germany put together an incredible number of victories beginning with
the annexation of Austria and the Sudetenland and continuing on into
conference play with defeats of Poland, France, Norway, Sweden,
Denmark, Belgium and the Netherlands. Their only losses came against
the US and Russia; however considering their entire body of work--
including an incredibly tough Strength of Schedule--our computers
deemed them worthy of the #1 ranking."

Questioned about the #4 ranking of the United States the BCS
commissioner stated "The US only had two major victories--Japan and
Germany. The computer models, unlike humans, aren't influenced by head-
to-head contests--they consider each contest to be only a single,
equally-weighted event."

German Chancellor Adolph Hiter said "Yes, we lost to the US; but we
defeated #2 ranked France in only 6 weeks." Herr Hitler has been
criticized for seeking dramatic victories to earn 'style points' to
enhance Germany's rankings. Hitler protested "Our contest with Poland
was in doubt until the final day and the conditions in Norway were
incredibly challenging and demanded the application of additional
forces."

The French ranking has also come under scrutiny. The BCS commented "
France had a single loss against Germany and following a preseason #1
ranking they only fell to #2."
Japan was ranked #3 with victories including Manchuria, Borneo and the
Philippines.
 
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Originally posted by Riggs_Inator
BCS DECLARES GERMANY WINNER OF WORLD WAR II
US Ranked 4th

After determining the Big-12 championship game participants the BCS
computers were put to work on other major contests and today the BCS
declared Germany to be the winner of World War II.

"Germany put together an incredible number of victories beginning with
the annexation of Austria and the Sudetenland and continuing on into
conference play with defeats of Poland, France, Norway, Sweden,
Denmark, Belgium and the Netherlands. Their only losses came against
the US and Russia; however considering their entire body of work--
including an incredibly tough Strength of Schedule--our computers
deemed them worthy of the #1 ranking."

Questioned about the #4 ranking of the United States the BCS
commissioner stated "The US only had two major victories--Japan and
Germany. The computer models, unlike humans, aren't influenced by head-
to-head contests--they consider each contest to be only a single,
equally-weighted event."

German Chancellor Adolph Hiter said "Yes, we lost to the US; but we
defeated #2 ranked France in only 6 weeks." Herr Hitler has been
criticized for seeking dramatic victories to earn 'style points' to
enhance Germany's rankings. Hitler protested "Our contest with Poland
was in doubt until the final day and the conditions in Norway were
incredibly challenging and demanded the application of additional
forces."

The French ranking has also come under scrutiny. The BCS commented "
France had a single loss against Germany and following a preseason #1
ranking they only fell to #2."
Japan was ranked #3 with victories including Manchuria, Borneo and the
Philippines.


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Originally posted by Riggs_Inator
BCS DECLARES GERMANY WINNER OF WORLD WAR II
US Ranked 4th

After determining the Big-12 championship game participants the BCS
computers were put to work on other major contests and today the BCS
declared Germany to be the winner of World War II.

"Germany put together an incredible number of victories beginning with
the annexation of Austria and the Sudetenland and continuing on into
conference play with defeats of Poland, France, Norway, Sweden,
Denmark, Belgium and the Netherlands. Their only losses came against
the US and Russia; however considering their entire body of work--
including an incredibly tough Strength of Schedule--our computers
deemed them worthy of the #1 ranking."

Questioned about the #4 ranking of the United States the BCS
commissioner stated "The US only had two major victories--Japan and
Germany. The computer models, unlike humans, aren't influenced by head-
to-head contests--they consider each contest to be only a single,
equally-weighted event."

German Chancellor Adolph Hiter said "Yes, we lost to the US; but we
defeated #2 ranked France in only 6 weeks." Herr Hitler has been
criticized for seeking dramatic victories to earn 'style points' to
enhance Germany's rankings. Hitler protested "Our contest with Poland
was in doubt until the final day and the conditions in Norway were
incredibly challenging and demanded the application of additional
forces."

The French ranking has also come under scrutiny. The BCS commented "
France had a single loss against Germany and following a preseason #1
ranking they only fell to #2."
Japan was ranked #3 with victories including Manchuria, Borneo and the
Philippines.


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While that WWII deal is funny, the whole thing is getting old. The Big XII DID use head to head, and there was still a tie. So the league has rules set up to break said tie. Texas signed off on the rules just like the rest of the league.

The folks who don't want a playoff in D-1 football are getting exactly what the deserve - a big pile of sh!t where how people vote in a poll and how some computers rank teams is deciding who gets to play for the title. Sure, it supposedly makes every regular season game "count", but it leaves you open to the mess we have this week.

And Mack Brown is an @ss for trying to blow off Texas Tech and just have it be about OU and Texas. Don't lose to Tech, and there isn't a tie and you are playing in Arrowhead on Saturday. Sucks to be you, now sit down and shut up.
 
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