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Originally posted by shull
I'm a big believer in taking speed to 48, agility to 60 for all lineman, including centers. Call it overboard, but there are obviously threads going around showing what a 90 agility/60 speed DT can do. I think speed is a bigger factor in quickness than everyone initially thought. Just because it makes sense that a slow but agile and strong blocker would be good in real life does not make it so in GLB.

I am behind him 100 percent. He convinced me to do this, so I did, and put my center at right guard. he is amazing there. haha

I just don't see the super high speed for any position except a pulling rG, where is it that your O-lineman need to get to so quick?

I say this despite the fact that I truely believe Sp/Ag to be the most important skills in the game for every other position in GLB.

I haven't had a chance to really try it out yet but I think higher blocking with a combination of SA pass block & foundation are probably the key to stopping those supe agile D-linemen. Confidence is just vague enough to be overlooked as well despite its importance.

Your arguments make sense in real life, but if speed/agility is the most important stat in GLB, why wouldn't that be the case for an o-lineman? D-lineman have figured it out. It was first WRs, then CBs, then LBs (60/60 is minimal for slowbuilds), finally DEs, now DTs have it figured out.

I think it's not the case for o-lineman yet because it simply hasn't been tried and accepted, as there are alot of o-lineman that think their doing fine with 20-30 speed. Some even have less...

I just think there's more to GLBs equation for reaction time than simply blocking/strength/some agility and SAs.

Also, I've noticed that running holes open up faster and much wider with more speed. Maybe the ability to move someone takes into consideration blocking/strength/agility and the speed in which the player can move. Maybe UnderDogs has noticed this too...?

Originally posted by shull
Your arguments make sense in real life, but if speed/agility is the most important stat in GLB, why wouldn't that be the case for an o-lineman? D-lineman have figured it out. It was first WRs, then CBs, then LBs (60/60 is minimal for slowbuilds), finally DEs, now DTs have it figured out.

I think it's not the case for o-lineman yet because it simply hasn't been tried and accepted, as there are alot of o-lineman that think their doing fine with 20-30 speed. Some even have less...

I just think there's more to GLBs equation for reaction time than simply blocking/strength/some agility and SAs.

Also, I've noticed that running holes open up faster and much wider with more speed. Maybe the ability to move someone takes into consideration blocking/strength/agility and the speed in which the player can move. Maybe UnderDogs has noticed this too...?

Absolutely.

when he engages in non pancake blocks he pushes them back faster than he use to. He is a machine.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=225472&pbp_id=6308038

This play. Guard speed is 100% important.

Originally posted by Tito716
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=225472&pbp_id=6308038

This play. Guard speed is 100% important.

That is one of 2 plays in the whole playbook where the RG moves, though. Is it really worth burying points into speed for two plays, or wouldn't it be better to spend them on the other 60+ plays?

Originally posted by randomguymike
Originally posted by Tito716

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=225472&pbp_id=6308038

This play. Guard speed is 100% important.

That is one of 2 plays in the whole playbook where the RG moves, though. Is it really worth burying points into speed for two plays, or wouldn't it be better to spend them on the other 60+ plays?

plus every pass play when he is picking up a blitzer.

Originally posted by randomguymike
Originally posted by Tito716

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=225472&pbp_id=6308038

This play. Guard speed is 100% important.

That is one of 2 plays in the whole playbook where the RG moves, though. Is it really worth burying points into speed for two plays, or wouldn't it be better to spend them on the other 60+ plays?

That play equaled six points, so on the scale of important, something that ends up putting points on the board is always good. I think tackles need speed as well. I have some fast DEs that I built and it's not even funny when they loop around a pylon of a LOT. While it's fun to watch when you are doing it to your opponent, it's not so fun when it's happening to your QB.

Plus you have to consider that your opponent might be very suceptible to the guard pull, and if your OC has noticed it you will be running that play a lot.

Linemen need speed capped to make these blocks

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=217825&pbp_id=5922895
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=217825&pbp_id=5923925

With out soft capped speed then these are TFLs instead of TD's

Speed does help you push D-lineman back faster, it's just like pushing a sled. You've never going to move it very quickly using just arm strength.

I agree a RG probably needs to soft cap SPD. Am going that route with my RG, but mainly been training it up to mid 30s and then will softcap when I boost next season. My LG is has also been training SPD and it's in mid-30s now. But I probably won't soft-cap it for him anytime soon. Playing LG he's primarily facing off against the DT who have started becoming agile, so he's more focused on agility to 2nd cap before getting speed into 40s, but he'll keep training speed the whole way. His boosts next season will be to get agility to 2nd cap. Also, have the LGs BLK > STR and it's flipped for the RG (STR > BLK)

My thinking is the LG needs better blocking and agility (already in 50s) to deal with the DT agility craze now taking over. He doesn't give up sacks or not as of yet at least. RG seems to pull ok right now with mid 30's SPD and mid-50s AGI. Of course will be better once SPD is soft-capped. I'm also not one of the guys who puts everything into STR. Don't think that helps a whole lot.

Right now their STR/BLK looks like:

LG: STR 77 BLK 82
RG: STR 81 BLK 75

Both have CNF/VIS/STA at/above or close to soft-cap.

So far the builds appear to work just fine.

im retarded

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=226051&pbp_id=8517818

Benefit of agility/speed. Don't blink or you could miss it.

This is why pulling OLinemen need SPD: http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=1576893