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Originally posted by Octowned
Level 32 build w/ custom

90 str
80 blk
61 agi
50 conf
48 vis
30 spd
30 sta


More fun will be at level 40, boasting a nicer

94 str
84 blk
62 agi
53 conf
50 vis
48 spd
40 sta

and a complete slew of SAs



Guess that projection answers my question about taking str/blk to 68, definitely not!

Any lv40 Gs coming close to that these days?

Do these projections at 40 take into account a drop in autolevel bonus at 30, and possibly later? I have no idea when they actually happen, but I have seen rumblings about it. Since it happens at 22 and 30, it seems likely it will happen again after that.

In reference to your first question, I took my G to 68/68. Since it looks like you won't be doing so, maybe we can compare builds in 2-3 seasons. (mine is lvl 24 right now with no boosts left, but I still have sp to spend).

Originally posted by Octowned
Level 32 build w/ custom

90 str
80 blk
61 agi
50 conf
48 vis
30 spd
30 sta


Is this theoretical best possible with 0 SAs?

I estimate I could have done this just about if I hadn't spent 36 points on SAs in the first few levels, and maybe 15 more on attributes under 20.

Oh well my next guard will be better

Originally posted by Octowned
Level 32 build w/ custom

90 str
80 blk
61 agi
50 conf
48 vis
30 spd
30 sta



Guess that projection answers my question about taking str/blk to 68, definitely not!

Any lv40 Gs coming close to that these days?

Lvl 23 C playing G

Strength: 84.5 Blocking: 75.5
Speed: 13.54 Tackling: 14.3
Agility: 49.91 Throwing: 8
Jumping: 8 Catching: 8
Stamina: 28.99 Carrying: 8
Vision: 30.21 Kicking: 8
Confidence: 29.29 Punting: 8

By level 32 with equipment should be around (not sure how much exactly from training)

Strength: 98 Blocking: 81
Speed: 30 Tackling: ?
Agility: 61+ Throwing: 8
Jumping: 8 Catching: 8
Stamina: 38 Carrying: 8
Vision: 38 Kicking: 8
Confidence: 38 Punting: 8


However, Level 17 C should be even better. I haven't done all the math on him yet, but all sp are going into agility until 2nd cap. Going to start training vis/conf exclusively after one more speed/stamina training which should raise each 1. Strength will go up 1 after 1st day because he has a +1 agility, +1 strength, +1 run block piece and I have 7 bonus tokens saved up. Agility is currently 99% trained so I will train it again after agility hits 61 unless I decide to take it to 68 and then train it.

Strength: 80.99 Blocking: 76.04
Speed: 14 Tackling: 13.2
Agility: 27.2 Throwing: 9
Jumping: 9 Catching: 8
Stamina: 29.31 Carrying: 8
Vision: 13.2 Kicking: 8
Confidence: 13.2 Punting: 8

C is easier, of course, but yeah, get the drop from playing out of position.



Yes, I took into account the drop at 22 and 30. After that the drop is negligible, really, over such a small amount of levels gained, if there is one at 38 or whatever.



And my projection used what level I will get to certain things based on training time estimates and slowbuilding, combined with the natural gains after that. So I guess it'd be pretty close to "optimal" though optimal would be what you want to do. Obviously going up all in one stat so natural gains are even higher is optimal, mathematically, but not in terms of use of build!



For me, my projection is exactly what I want, and what I'll get!

Originally posted by mandyross
Originally posted by UnderDogs

He has 32 speed now I am training it up to 40, but I refuse to cap it, or spend a single sp in it. and I am gladly using those sp's i'm not using to cap speed on other things. If I was a L.O.T. i would probably double cap agility and cap speed. But guards don't need it so much.

I am doing this also. It will take me 2 seasons of training to raise speed to 37, and agility to 53 with the gains, but I will only put SP into agility to take it to close to 60 after that. Speed can sit at 37.

Underdogs - your thoughts on soft-capping vision for a RG please? This is something I am considering doing.

35-40 is probably enough for speed and vision. My centers vision is low 30's. he plays well at right guard. But that's the point I'm trying to make. It's obvious guards don't need a shit load of speed. It's nice to cap speed of course. It's nice to have boatloads of everything! You don't get a level bonus for speed though. When it's all said and done. when do you have to realize you have enough speed or vision. you must realize when enough is enough, if you don't you pretty much just waste skill points there.

It would be nice to have a right guard with 49 speed pulling. he will pull faster, but at 30 speed they seem to pull in time. so I would rather have 30 speed and pull just in time, rather than waste 19 sp's to get there faster?

Same with vision. I think you only need a certain amount. my center played great AT right guard with 30 vision. maybe between 35 and 40 vision.

It's your call though.

plus you get the level bonus for capping vision. maybe so.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=178052&pbp_id=9409214

Speed isn't only good for pulling and pass blocking...

that took vision too, to spot a block outside of your zone

Originally posted by shull
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=178052&pbp_id=9409214

Speed isn't only good for pulling and pass blocking...

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=178052&pbp_id=9407791
ANd here he is laying on his backside on a passing play in the first possession of the very same game! Um that was a linebacker that knocked his D*ck in the dirt too. So I don't know.

First possession 2nd passing play. right guards should not get bullied by a s.s.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=178052&pbp_id=9407839

I thought I was going to have to dig to find some liability in his passing game. I did not have to dig. he is obviously lacking in something.

Underdogs,

What do those plays have to do with the speed debate? Are you trying to simply dismiss the player as being bad because he has a higher speed than yours without knowing anything else about the build?

And follow me here..you bring up two plays that really have nothing to do with speed...other than my guy was able to keep up with and stay in front of a blitzing SS.

If you want to talk about the merits of those two plays, fine, but frankly, I think you're grasping for straws showing those two plays. But that's a different discussion depending on your definition of good pass blocking.

My point in linking the play was to show that speed is also good for getting downfield to hit the LBs or SSs on long run plays.

By the way, you previously linked to the play where your guy picks up a cornerback....http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=140786&pbp_id=6790715 ...watch how your guy backs up to engage a proper pass block. It would be silly to claim he got bullied by the corner...but yet it's the same claim you make for my guy picking up a SS.

Originally posted by shull
Underdogs,

What do those plays have to do with the speed debate? Are you trying to simply dismiss the player as being bad because he has a higher speed than yours without knowing anything else about the build?

And follow me here..you bring up two plays that really have nothing to do with speed...other than my guy was able to keep up with and stay in front of a blitzing SS.

If you want to talk about the merits of those two plays, fine, but frankly, I think you're grasping for straws showing those two plays. But that's a different discussion depending on your definition of good pass blocking.

My point in linking the play was to show that speed is also good for getting downfield to hit the LBs or SSs on long run plays.

Follow you???????? who's not following who here? the whole point was that all that speed leaves a lack for the important attribute to be a great guard. yay he is a monster in the run game!! a liability in the passing game! he's a great run blocking guard NO DOUBT. he is a poor pass blocking guard = he is average over all.

you understand what I'm saying? the points wasted in speed could go into making him better all around.

How is his pass blocking lacking...or to use your stronger words, a liability?!? That's laughable.

Your use of absolutes is incredibly stubborn and knaive.

Since you're the judge of poor pass blocking, where in those two plays could I have improved?

It comes down to a disagreement over 30-35 speed being the perfect amount, and 10 more points being too much, to the point of becoming a liability. Personally, I like his ability to pick up blitzing SS, ROLBs, MLBs, LOLBs and CBs. On top of all of that he is a great asset on 50% of all GLB plays...running plays.

Thanks for calling him a monster. I agree.

Originally posted by shull
How is his pass blocking lacking...or to use your stronger words, a liability?!? That's laughable.

Your use of absolutes is incredibly stubborn and knaive.

Since you're the judge of poor pass blocking, where in those two plays could I have improved?

It comes down to a disagreement over 30-35 speed being the perfect amount, and 10 more points being too much, to the point of becoming a liability. Personally, I like his ability to pick up blitzing SS, ROLBs, MLBs, LOLBs and CBs. On top of all of that he is a great asset on 50% of all GLB plays...running plays.

Thanks for calling him a monster. I agree.

so you're saying he only has 45 speed?

It looks like 55-60!

and that would be a heck of a lot more than 10

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