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uh we didnt mess it up. we didnt want him to play at all lol

i also never said they played twice as much..? i already said we only did that for about half the season. come on, read the whole thing. my example was to show you how stupid your "play less, get more sacks" statement was. you said

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DEs back to back = more sacks and hurries. But we always played ours at the same time, because while you may get less sacks/hurries in the game
i would like you to give me an example of 10 plays. and tell me on each play, if the ROT and LOT make a successful block. and you can use any combination of g1 and g2, and just use sackz OR rufus at DE.

now from those 10 identical situations, i'd like you to be able to show me how my guys will get more OPPORTUNITIES than you guys.

listen, i'll help you out. you lost here. you should really just bow out with dignity. unless you still want to stand by your you can get more sacks if you have less plays line. i promise if you give up, i wont constantly remind you about your stupidity.

Originally posted by "lol
listen, i'll help you out. you lost here. you should really just bow out with dignity. unless you still want to stand by your you can get more sacks if you have less plays line. i promise if you give up, i wont constantly remind you about your stupidity.

I don't know why you continue to misinterpret and misrepresent information.

I never said you get more sacks by being in less plays. I simply stated the fact you can garner more sacks for an individual by playing DEs back to back (which is to say, both DEs have an equal amount of snaps, but play one at a time instead of both at once) as opposed to both at the same time.

For example, only one player out of Grueso/Githinji would have registered a sack on this play http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=205835&pbp_id=11171065 even though both broke through. This would only count as one hurry, as well, in the event that they don't get to the QB. If there was not a DE of that caliber across from either on this play, they would have been the one to register the hurry or sack.

When you have two DEs getting pressure on the same play, it reduces an individuals chance of garnering statistics, because you only break a few plays a game... and there's always the chance you could break around an OT on the same play where the guy across from you did, and he gets the sack.

It's the same concept as having two good linebackers on the field at the same time, as opposed to only one. Having one good linebacker on the field, as opposed to two, will allow the individual to garner better statistics at the cost losing the advantage of having two good linebackers at once.

And the reason why you don't understand, I guess, is because you're not using proper logic.

Saying "two good DEs start at once give you twice the chance to get sacks in 10 plays than two good DEs backing eachother up!" is inherently misleading.

This assumes two things: 1. you only account for the good things about having two good DEs starting at once (that they both can make a play on the same play), and 2. you only account for the bad part of having two DEs backing eachother up (that they are never on the field at the same time.

There are very many plays where your two starting DEs are not on the field at the same time, because of substitutions. And there are also plays where you have a zero percent chance to get a sack, because neither is on the field, something that will never happen if both players are backing each other up exclusively on one side.

This is why saying "10 plays" doesn't mean a thing. What matters is the amount of plays they get at the end of the game. And a good DE starting across from you, will always be there to eat up sacks/hurries from an individual on the many plays where they play together at the same time (something that doesn't happen in a one-side split).

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Originally posted by bacardi
um how would you like to me to mention that? we didnt play them. who am i supposed to compare them to? we already know alpha sucks, and on a suckass conference, they didnt make it out of round 2. i did a team-by-team comparison.

i'm only getting into this because of this little gem. this conference crap is absolutely retarded, and sounds like some of the moronic SEC homerism you hear in college football "lololol we're the best conference because we all play each other, and we all play each other so it makes us the best conference". Thrashers lost because other teams finally realized what the Hitmen did, that you could throw against us. our entire goal, once we lost to crows, was getting the #2 seed and maximizing cash from the playoff run for stadium and team eq upgrades this offseason. none of the GMs and myself cared that much about winning it all and moving up, because the AA league is filled with much higher level teams and another season to build would actually be better. i didn't even do any gameplanning or scouting for round 2 and beyond other than "let's just up the run percent more".

and if you want to get pedantic about this conference junk, thrashers took care of their zeta opponent during the regular season. scrimmages are always a time for us to test new tactics, and players out at other positions, and don't really care if we win or lose those beyond the feedback it gives us.

this thread is dumb

but also, looking at total sacks is also dumb

vs blowouts, cubes rest the starters. this was originally done to conserve energy (before they implemented the energy reset) but was kept in so that the backups could get some plays in. Versus Slobodzeya Es Cargo, a 122-0 blowout, Rufus got 7 plays while the backups got 30-ish. That same team is where Grueso got 14 sacks. And 19 sacks in a 140-0 blowout vs Orange Blood Nation.

Also, it's not just about the sacks. Rufus and Sack Zilla have a lot more hurries. And some forced fumbles.

Overall it's about who's better at pressuring the QB versus a decent team.

Regarding left/right, you realize that out of an average of 40 plays, 3-4 sacks is considered decent. More plays gives you more chances to get a sack. The only time "sack stealing" is really a concern is if you're against a totally shitty team with no O-line. Otherwise who gets the sack can be heavily influenced by where the TE goes and where the backs block, which is why we moved rufus to LDE. The other reason we could afford to do this was because the backup builds were finally catching up and being effective.

BTW hiding your build from EVERYONE is retarded. You haven't stumbled onto some secret formula or other bullshit. Everyone knows the secret to sacks is to pump the ever loving shit out of agility, although people do various things with SAs and whatnot. The only reason Grueso has such padded stats is due to you guys playing terrible teams more so than any amazing build on your part, so how about you stop sucking your own dick.

Originally posted by "ayz"
That same team is where Grueso got 14 sacks. And 19 sacks in a 140-0 blowout vs Orange Blood Nation.

Grueso had less plays in the Orange Blood Nation game, and more sacks. I don't understand how you can fault him for that.

I don't put any more credit into sacks against poor teams as anyone else. But saying a team rested A**** starter against one bad team... when he played more plays than Grueso against another bad team, is sort of irrelevant, don't you think?

Apparently this recruitment thread turned into some kind of personal vendetta for the Cubicles.

no i just think it's funny that you're bending over sucking your own dick over and over all season while in reality you have a cookie cutter agility DE build that happens to get a stat padding schedule

Originally posted by "ayz"
BTW hiding your build from EVERYONE is retarded. You haven't stumbled onto some secret formula or other bullshit. Everyone knows the secret to sacks is to pump the ever loving shit out of agility, although people do various things with SAs and whatnot. The only reason Grueso has such padded stats is due to you guys playing terrible teams more so than any amazing build on your part, so how about you stop sucking your own dick.

Well, here we go.

Did you ever bother to ask why I don't share my build, instead of freaking out?

I don't show my build, because at any time any build can be nerfed. I'd rather a player on my team ask me for advice, or offer advice myself, than have them misunderstand why a build is or is not productive. What works for my players, isn't going to work for their players, depending on how far they are in their progression, and which route they took. It's also counter-productive to advancement if everyone builds their DEs the same way. Hiding my build prevents people from doing that. I would much rather, and have regularly, give specific advice.

Originally posted by ayz
no i just think it's funny that you're bending over sucking your own dick over and over all season while in reality you have a cookie cutter agility DE build that happens to get a stat padding schedule

First of all. That "stat padding schedule" is the same schedule the Cubicles had, except we played the better team from Alpha (at least standing wise), and you had to play the Isotopes, while we had to play the Cubicles (since we obviously can't play ourselves). We both played Orange Blood Nation after they collapsed, as well. It was a very, very equal opportunity. If not more so in your favor. So this schedule nonsense when we play the same teams is just silly.

Fact.

Second of all

I never "sucked my own dick," or any thing of the sort. I took this thread in here to find a team within the league, and even poked fun at MYSELF when I talked about Grueso (making a joke about how many sacks he had against the computer).

The only thing I've done is defend myself when people have just flat out said he was bad or something, which, frankly, is naive. Grueso won the sack title, and yet I've already said numerous times Eddie Ellis is the best DE in the league. When the Isotopes were leading the league in sacks, and Grueso/Githinji had more combined sacks than Rufus/Sackz, I even said it wont be long until Rufus and Sackz take over, and that the Cubicles had the best pass rush in the league.

You are really just jumping on someone for no reason.

And for the record, none of my DEs are "cookie cutter agility DEs." None of them are built around agility.

there is no real "best in the league". every DE for the most part has been able to take advantage of the pass-blocking bugs this season. there are arguments to be made as to who consistently gets sacks vs padding from gutted teams, but in general we all benefitted from the bad pathing. if it really matters i guess we'll know more once the new stuff comes in, although major balance changes in any game generally tend to overcompensate as much, so i expect sack and hurry totals to drastically drop next season and have luck factor in more.

i'm gonna try one last time

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When you have two DEs getting pressure on the same play, it reduces an individuals chance of garnering statistics, because you only break a few plays a game... and there's always the chance you could break around an OT on the same play where the guy across from you did, and he gets the sack.
your scenario is absolutely correct. and again proves my point. when g1 gets to the qb first, he gets the sack and g2 doesnt. ok thats fine. i've already listed both of your DEs here, so any sack that was "stolen" is listed.

if another DE of ours gets to the qb faster than sackz/rufus, THAT sack is not recorded. its not in the list i posted earlier. BOTH of them have just "lost" a sack. i'll use your example.

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For example, only one player out of Grueso/Githinji would have registered a sack on this play http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=174164&pbp_id=5034190 even though both broke through.

agreed. so now g1 will have 1 added to his total. cool. if g2 got there first, g2 will have 1 added to his total. cool. in other words, you get credit for that sack no matter who gets there. now lets repeat the exact same play with rufus/sackz. if they get there first, 1 point. if they dont, that sack isnt counted.

does that help?

if not, i give up.

personally, i didnt really care about the sacks argument but you seem very defensive about it. i was laughing a lot more at

Originally posted by
I'm a team player. I just have two conditions.

I don't share my build, not even with the Owner. I just don't.

i mean, thats just gold lol

Originally posted by "lol"

agreed. so now g1 will have 1 added to his total. cool. if g2 got there first, g2 will have 1 added to his total. cool. in other words, you get credit for that sack no matter who gets there. now lets repeat the exact same play with rufus/sackz. if they get there first, 1 point. if they dont, that sack isnt counted.

Once again, you miss the point that it's inaccurate to make that kind of comparison. Obviously on plays where Grueso/Gitinji are BOTH on the field at the same time, the TEAM has a BETTER chance of registering a sack (while the individual has less of a chance).

However... because they are both starting at the same time, there are also plays where NEITHER is on the field AT ALL. Which results in a ZERO PERCENT CHANCE to register a sack on plays during the game.

It goes both ways. Some plays they are both on the field, some plays NEITHER is on the field... and yes, some plays, only one is on the field. That's the strategical side of starting two at once, instead of putting the best back to back at RDE. There's good and there's bad.

i'm a team player and very accommodating the only catch is that i will do whatever the fuck i want

At least heīs being honest about what his conditions are. You got to respect him for that even if we disagree, which i do.

Originally posted by Athrian
Originally posted by bacardi

um how would you like to me to mention that? we didnt play them. who am i supposed to compare them to? we already know alpha sucks, and on a suckass conference, they didnt make it out of round 2. i did a team-by-team comparison.

i'm only getting into this because of this little gem. this conference crap is absolutely retarded, and sounds like some of the moronic SEC homerism you hear in college football "lololol we're the best conference because we all play each other, and we all play each other so it makes us the best conference". Thrashers lost because other teams finally realized what the Hitmen did, that you could throw against us. our entire goal, once we lost to crows, was getting the #2 seed and maximizing cash from the playoff run for stadium and team eq upgrades this offseason. none of the GMs and myself cared that much about winning it all and moving up, because the AA league is filled with much higher level teams and another season to build would actually be better. i didn't even do any gameplanning or scouting for round 2 and beyond other than "let's just up the run percent more".

and if you want to get pedantic about this conference junk, thrashers took care of their zeta opponent during the regular season. scrimmages are always a time for us to test new tactics, and players out at other positions, and don't really care if we win or lose those beyond the feedback it gives us.

Thatīs +1 right there! Well put!