Warrior General Games

Was a great 4 seasons with you all. Just received word from Thaak that he is not renewing his ownership of Kingston and as of this point we don't have anyone to assume the Ownership role. Was some nice reading in the forums though I didn't post that much. Gl to everyone in the future in A#4.

Crag79
OC for the Kingston Sidewinders/Seattle Storm.
Players- Glenn Machiotto(WR) and John Tavern(LG)

Got to defend my Conference, so here goes:

I don't think strict interconference records are necessarily indicative of which conference is better. For example, if you set the pairings up so that W1 played E5, W2 played E6, W3 played E7 etc. you would expect the West to win all eight games until the pairing got past W12-E16 and started on W13-E1, W14-E2, etc. The East would probably clobber the West in those 4 games, but all the 1-12 West teams should be able to beat an East team seeded 4 places below them. The result would be an 8-4 edge for West over East, but wouldn't necessarily indicate that the West clearly had the stronger teams.

In that vein, before the interconference games started, these were the standings:

WEST
W1. Twin City Wildcats (15-0)
W2. Northwest Arkansas Naturals (12-3)
W3. Hammond Bayou Bengals (12-3)
W4. San Diego Bolts (11-4)
W5. Oakland Nation (11-4)
W6. Tampa Bay Greyhounds (10-5)
W7. LUElinks LUEshis (9-6)
W8. Austin Alcoholics (9-6)
W9. Laredo Lesbians (8-7)
W10. Farkistan Squirrels (7-8)
W11. Texas Bigga Bois (5-10)
W12. Auckland Raiders (3-12)
W13. Houston Cougars (3-12)
W14. Kingston Sidewinders (3-12)
W15. Lynchburg Lightning (2-13)
W16. Nic Cage 4-Ever<3 (0-15)

EAST
E1. Toronto Turtles (15-0)
E2. The Fighting Farvas (14-1)
E3. Atlanta Purple Penguins (13-2)
E4. Tupelo Kings (11-4)
E5. Fulton County Massacre (10-5)
E6. New York Grizzlies (10-5)
E7. Frunkis Town Virus (9-6)
E8. Beaver City Crabs (8-7)
E9. Baton Rouge Bayou Bengals (7-8)
E10. Murfreesboro Taints (6-9)
E11. KingsTalk Angerswords (6-9)
E12. Chicago Wolves (5-10)
E13. Key Biscayne Sabercats (3-12)
E14. Twin City Cobras (2-13)
E15. Tampa Bay Paladins (1-14)
E16. Niagara Rapids (0-15)

The matchups were set this way with the favored team's conference as the third column:
W1---E11--->W
W2---E3---->W
W3---E7---->W
W4---E8---->W
W5---E6---->W
W6---E15--->W
W7---E10--->W
W8---E5---->E
W9---E9---->even
W10---E1--->E
W11---E14-->W
W12---E12-->even
W13---E4--->E
W14---E13-->E
W15---E16-->W
W16---E2--->E

So if things held to form, the West should have won 9, the East 5, and presumably the conferences would have split the tossups. Therfore, based on the matchups, the West SHOULD have had a FOUR game advantage in wins over the East, but only had 2. To me, this means the East outperformed the West.

For reference, here are the games that did NOT hold form based on seedings:
Toss-ups:
Laredo (W) beat Baton Rouge (E)
Chicago (E) beat Auckland (W)
Upsets:
W14 Kingston beat E13 Key Biscayne
E6 New York beat W5 Oakland
E3 Atlanta beat W2 Northwest Arkansas

So I think the East's performance above what would be expected can be argued as evidence that it is actually the EAST that is the superior conference.

Two final points:
(1) Just because the straight 9-7 edge for the West doesn't prove its superiority, neither does this. It's just a bunch of number crunching to argue about but we'll never really know the truth without a LOT more information than we currently have.
(2) Yes, I have WAAAAAY too much time on my hands....

The west was considered much stronger last season, but the East team won the Championship when The Steel beat the beloved Pewnts. So with the record being so close, its a toss up once again this year.

well we got scrimmages coming up, so that will tell us more...

East conference is a joke, everyone knows this and there's no denying it. The LUEshis who are sitting at 7th in the West have many times in the past kicked the shit out of everyone in the East below third. We're currently tied with the Farvas. Argue all you want, this is fact. Why else would teams moving up from BBB always end up the top teams in the conference? Hmm, I wonder.

Originally posted by DragoonNite
East conference is a joke, everyone knows this and there's no denying it.
Sure there is. "I deny it." See how easy that was?
OK, that was a smart ass answer that didn't contribute anything constructive to the debate at all. But it was just so tempting I couldn't pass it up!

Originally posted by DragoonNite
The LUEshis who are sitting at 7th in the West have many times in the past kicked the shit out of everyone in the East below third.
Have no reason to doubt this, but past is past. East could've gotten better, LUEshis could have lost some personnel and gotten worse, etc. etc. My impression was that this thread was concerned with the conferences as they exist THIS season.

Originally posted by DragoonNite
We're currently tied with the Farvas.
???? I don't get this at all. In what category are you (9-7) tied with the Farvas (15-1)? Not trying to be facetious--I just honestly don't see where this comes from.

Originally posted by DragoonNite
Argue all you want, this is fact. Why else would teams moving up from BBB always end up the top teams in the conference? Hmm, I wonder.
Well, Northwest Arkansas seems to have done pretty well in your conference this year, and it wasn't too long ago that I recall Honolulu whoopin' some major Western Conference butts.

It also depends on the caliber of teams coming up from the Eastern Conferences of BBB#7 and BBB#8. If you didn't notice, the BBB#7 Champ (East) from last year just laid a pretty good lickin' on the BBB#8 Champ (West) today, 51-7. If the team promoted from the BBB East can do that, maybe the reason BBB East teams do well in A#4 is because the East teams in BBB are better overall. If that were true, then the fact that the promoted BBB East teams rise to the top in A#4 could be more a function of the BBB teams being good rather than the A teams being bad. I'm not sure that's actually the case, but I think it's certainly a plausible possible scenario where BBB teams rise to the top but the teams under them aren't necessarily inferior. That suggests that things aren't as obviously "factual" as you say.

But that's just my opinion, and we've only been here one season.

Last champion:

Steel (East)

Farvas vs. Steel:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=92298

Originally posted by DragoonNite
East conference is a joke, everyone knows this and there's no denying it. The LUEshis who are sitting at 7th in the West have many times in the past kicked the shit out of everyone in the East below third. We're currently tied with the Farvas. Argue all you want, this is fact. Why else would teams moving up from BBB always end up the top teams in the conference? Hmm, I wonder.

Please send friendly challenge next season if you are going to make such remarks..

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=138452

The last time you beat us we were an expansion team with a 5-11 record, in season 2, and you're still talking about it, lol. Again, friendly.

Originally posted by DragoonNite

We're currently tied with the Farvas.
???? I don't get this at all. In what category are you (9-7) tied with the Farvas (15-1)? Not trying to be facetious--I just honestly don't see where this comes from.


I believe he is stating that his team is equal to ours in skill, which I am willing to schedule a scrimmage like blump said to see.

Knightman, when he said we were tied...

He was basing that off of record. In season two, when we were an expansion team with no OC or DC, they beat us, lol.

Last year we beat them.

I'll take the bait. Let's make it best our of 3.

Originally posted by Knightman
Originally posted by DragoonNite

East conference is a joke, everyone knows this and there's no denying it.
Sure there is. "I deny it." See how easy that was?
OK, that was a smart ass answer that didn't contribute anything constructive to the debate at all. But it was just so tempting I couldn't pass it up!

Originally posted by DragoonNite

The LUEshis who are sitting at 7th in the West have many times in the past kicked the shit out of everyone in the East below third.
Have no reason to doubt this, but past is past. East could've gotten better, LUEshis could have lost some personnel and gotten worse, etc. etc. My impression was that this thread was concerned with the conferences as they exist THIS season.

Originally posted by DragoonNite

We're currently tied with the Farvas.
???? I don't get this at all. In what category are you (9-7) tied with the Farvas (15-1)? Not trying to be facetious--I just honestly don't see where this comes from.

Originally posted by DragoonNite

Argue all you want, this is fact. Why else would teams moving up from BBB always end up the top teams in the conference? Hmm, I wonder.
Well, Northwest Arkansas seems to have done pretty well in your conference this year, and it wasn't too long ago that I recall Honolulu whoopin' some major Western Conference butts.

It also depends on the caliber of teams coming up from the Eastern Conferences of BBB#7 and BBB#8. If you didn't notice, the BBB#7 Champ (East) from last year just laid a pretty good lickin' on the BBB#8 Champ (West) today, 51-7. If the team promoted from the BBB East can do that, maybe the reason BBB East teams do well in A#4 is because the East teams in BBB are better overall. If that were true, then the fact that the promoted BBB East teams rise to the top in A#4 could be more a function of the BBB teams being good rather than the A teams being bad. I'm not sure that's actually the case, but I think it's certainly a plausible possible scenario where BBB teams rise to the top but the teams under them aren't necessarily inferior. That suggests that things aren't as obviously "factual" as you say.

But that's just my opinion, and we've only been here one season.



To be honest the Hurricane Warriors could kick the ass of 90% of GLB..including your Penguins, don't believe me? Send em a scrimmage.

They have great builds and are owned by like one or two agents..so there is consistency and the players are fully equipped.

They also own I believe the top win streak in GLB last time I checked

Originally posted by DrunkenCowboy
Originally posted by Knightman

Originally posted by DragoonNite


East conference is a joke, everyone knows this and there's no denying it.
Sure there is. "I deny it." See how easy that was?
OK, that was a smart ass answer that didn't contribute anything constructive to the debate at all. But it was just so tempting I couldn't pass it up!

Originally posted by DragoonNite


The LUEshis who are sitting at 7th in the West have many times in the past kicked the shit out of everyone in the East below third.
Have no reason to doubt this, but past is past. East could've gotten better, LUEshis could have lost some personnel and gotten worse, etc. etc. My impression was that this thread was concerned with the conferences as they exist THIS season.

Originally posted by DragoonNite


We're currently tied with the Farvas.
???? I don't get this at all. In what category are you (9-7) tied with the Farvas (15-1)? Not trying to be facetious--I just honestly don't see where this comes from.

Originally posted by DragoonNite


Argue all you want, this is fact. Why else would teams moving up from BBB always end up the top teams in the conference? Hmm, I wonder.
Well, Northwest Arkansas seems to have done pretty well in your conference this year, and it wasn't too long ago that I recall Honolulu whoopin' some major Western Conference butts.

It also depends on the caliber of teams coming up from the Eastern Conferences of BBB#7 and BBB#8. If you didn't notice, the BBB#7 Champ (East) from last year just laid a pretty good lickin' on the BBB#8 Champ (West) today, 51-7. If the team promoted from the BBB East can do that, maybe the reason BBB East teams do well in A#4 is because the East teams in BBB are better overall. If that were true, then the fact that the promoted BBB East teams rise to the top in A#4 could be more a function of the BBB teams being good rather than the A teams being bad. I'm not sure that's actually the case, but I think it's certainly a plausible possible scenario where BBB teams rise to the top but the teams under them aren't necessarily inferior. That suggests that things aren't as obviously "factual" as you say.

But that's just my opinion, and we've only been here one season.



To be honest the Hurricane Warriors could kick the ass of 90% of GLB..including your Penguins, don't believe me? Send em a scrimmage.

They have great builds and are owned by like one or two agents..so there is consistency and the players are fully equipped.

They also own I believe the top win streak in GLB last time I checked


No they just recently lost

Originally posted by BlackDeaf
Originally posted by Duo

Originally posted by Jericoholic


http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8774/lolqx6.jpg

Topic over.

XFD... i hope you have some burn heal for that shit

Three days and you'll be getting ready for the off-season just like us..

We keep improving every season and you guys will be left in the dust pretty soon and out of the playoffs most likely when a new team comes up to take your spot.

Originally posted by KINGV
Originally posted by DrunkenCowboy

Originally posted by Knightman


Originally posted by DragoonNite



East conference is a joke, everyone knows this and there's no denying it.
Sure there is. "I deny it." See how easy that was?
OK, that was a smart ass answer that didn't contribute anything constructive to the debate at all. But it was just so tempting I couldn't pass it up!

Originally posted by DragoonNite



The LUEshis who are sitting at 7th in the West have many times in the past kicked the shit out of everyone in the East below third.
Have no reason to doubt this, but past is past. East could've gotten better, LUEshis could have lost some personnel and gotten worse, etc. etc. My impression was that this thread was concerned with the conferences as they exist THIS season.

Originally posted by DragoonNite



We're currently tied with the Farvas.
???? I don't get this at all. In what category are you (9-7) tied with the Farvas (15-1)? Not trying to be facetious--I just honestly don't see where this comes from.

Originally posted by DragoonNite



Argue all you want, this is fact. Why else would teams moving up from BBB always end up the top teams in the conference? Hmm, I wonder.
Well, Northwest Arkansas seems to have done pretty well in your conference this year, and it wasn't too long ago that I recall Honolulu whoopin' some major Western Conference butts.

It also depends on the caliber of teams coming up from the Eastern Conferences of BBB#7 and BBB#8. If you didn't notice, the BBB#7 Champ (East) from last year just laid a pretty good lickin' on the BBB#8 Champ (West) today, 51-7. If the team promoted from the BBB East can do that, maybe the reason BBB East teams do well in A#4 is because the East teams in BBB are better overall. If that were true, then the fact that the promoted BBB East teams rise to the top in A#4 could be more a function of the BBB teams being good rather than the A teams being bad. I'm not sure that's actually the case, but I think it's certainly a plausible possible scenario where BBB teams rise to the top but the teams under them aren't necessarily inferior. That suggests that things aren't as obviously "factual" as you say.

But that's just my opinion, and we've only been here one season.



To be honest the Hurricane Warriors could kick the ass of 90% of GLB..including your Penguins, don't believe me? Send em a scrimmage.

They have great builds and are owned by like one or two agents..so there is consistency and the players are fully equipped.

They also own I believe the top win streak in GLB last time I checked


No they just recently lost

Oh I just saw it..that game was nasty no? Lots of turnovers..

Team outleveled the Wangs all across the board basically..and all the action came in the 1st half.

Originally posted by DrunkenCowboy
Originally posted by KINGV

Originally posted by DrunkenCowboy


Originally posted by Knightman



Originally posted by DragoonNite




East conference is a joke, everyone knows this and there's no denying it.
Sure there is. "I deny it." See how easy that was?
OK, that was a smart ass answer that didn't contribute anything constructive to the debate at all. But it was just so tempting I couldn't pass it up!

Originally posted by DragoonNite




The LUEshis who are sitting at 7th in the West have many times in the past kicked the shit out of everyone in the East below third.
Have no reason to doubt this, but past is past. East could've gotten better, LUEshis could have lost some personnel and gotten worse, etc. etc. My impression was that this thread was concerned with the conferences as they exist THIS season.

Originally posted by DragoonNite




We're currently tied with the Farvas.
???? I don't get this at all. In what category are you (9-7) tied with the Farvas (15-1)? Not trying to be facetious--I just honestly don't see where this comes from.

Originally posted by DragoonNite




Argue all you want, this is fact. Why else would teams moving up from BBB always end up the top teams in the conference? Hmm, I wonder.
Well, Northwest Arkansas seems to have done pretty well in your conference this year, and it wasn't too long ago that I recall Honolulu whoopin' some major Western Conference butts.

It also depends on the caliber of teams coming up from the Eastern Conferences of BBB#7 and BBB#8. If you didn't notice, the BBB#7 Champ (East) from last year just laid a pretty good lickin' on the BBB#8 Champ (West) today, 51-7. If the team promoted from the BBB East can do that, maybe the reason BBB East teams do well in A#4 is because the East teams in BBB are better overall. If that were true, then the fact that the promoted BBB East teams rise to the top in A#4 could be more a function of the BBB teams being good rather than the A teams being bad. I'm not sure that's actually the case, but I think it's certainly a plausible possible scenario where BBB teams rise to the top but the teams under them aren't necessarily inferior. That suggests that things aren't as obviously "factual" as you say.

But that's just my opinion, and we've only been here one season.



To be honest the Hurricane Warriors could kick the ass of 90% of GLB..including your Penguins, don't believe me? Send em a scrimmage.

They have great builds and are owned by like one or two agents..so there is consistency and the players are fully equipped.

They also own I believe the top win streak in GLB last time I checked


No they just recently lost

Oh I just saw it..that game was nasty no? Lots of turnovers..

Team outleveled the Wangs all across the board basically..and all the action came in the 1st half.

Yea tough loss but they will win the title though

last I checked the LUEshis beat the Hurricane Warriors when they were here. As for staff we really haven't lost or gained much over the seasons we're about the same. Concerning the Farvas, I think they're a bunch of cool guys and I respect the hell out of their team. In season two when we were BOTH starting teams we killed them, and last season when we scrimmaged they're barely beat us despite us putting up better yards and being quite a bit more consistent. It was a great game and I would love for us to scrimmage again, it's fun to keep rivalries going. You can all disagree as much as you want, but for the most part West is a stronger conference because our top 11 teams are all capable of winning against anyone else. The East is top heavy, your top three are way above the rest, great teams with massive power, then four through six are also good teams, after that it really drops off.