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48 is just a good place to stop if you want to "get it high" as you probably dont want to spend 2:1. However I agree for like, minor stats, what is the point of taking something from 40 to 48 if you really don't need it any higher. Some people are over obsessed with soft-capping, and forget to balance their builds.

Originally posted by czman

Maybe I have been lucky and never faced any well built defensive lineman. Good for me.

I just think using 48 as a stopping point is ridiculous. I understand that is where points cost 2:1 but that does not mean it is ideal for anything. It is an arbitrary stopping point based more on cost than on actual play. I think you can fall short of that and be OK.

If I am wrong it will take 3 boosts to fix it.

No, of course soft capping speaks more to build utility than it does to something as tenuous as excellence. But it's a universal kind of limit, since the guys you line up across from have to deal with increased cost and diminishing returns, too. So 48 is a suitable goal, or at least starting point.

Here are a couple of plays from my LOT who had strength and blocking in the 70's, agiltiy above the soft cap, Protect at 4, and speed far too low:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=142678&pbp_id=1338714

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=142678&pbp_id=1338743

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=142678&pbp_id=1338981

I guess I can take solace in the fact that I'm not the only tackle that DE has abused, but I guarantee I'll have speed at or above 48 next time we meet.

An LOT should take agility to the softcap and then take protect to level 6 with equipment.

Originally posted by rekcuf
Originally posted by czman


Maybe I have been lucky and never faced any well built defensive lineman. Good for me.

I just think using 48 as a stopping point is ridiculous. I understand that is where points cost 2:1 but that does not mean it is ideal for anything. It is an arbitrary stopping point based more on cost than on actual play. I think you can fall short of that and be OK.

If I am wrong it will take 3 boosts to fix it.

No, of course soft capping speaks more to build utility than it does to something as tenuous as excellence. But it's a universal kind of limit, since the guys you line up across from have to deal with increased cost and diminishing returns, too. So 48 is a suitable goal, or at least starting point.

Here are a couple of plays from my LOT who had strength and blocking in the 70's, agiltiy above the soft cap, Protect at 4, and speed far too low:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=142678&pbp_id=1338714

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=142678&pbp_id=1338743

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=142678&pbp_id=1338981

I guess I can take solace in the fact that I'm not the only tackle that DE has abused, but I guarantee I'll have speed at or above 48 next time we meet.


Ouch.

What about taking agility to 62 finally to counteract the super-agile ends and tackles? Anyone considering doing this?

Originally posted by rekcuf
Originally posted by czman


Maybe I have been lucky and never faced any well built defensive lineman. Good for me.

I just think using 48 as a stopping point is ridiculous. I understand that is where points cost 2:1 but that does not mean it is ideal for anything. It is an arbitrary stopping point based more on cost than on actual play. I think you can fall short of that and be OK.

If I am wrong it will take 3 boosts to fix it.

No, of course soft capping speaks more to build utility than it does to something as tenuous as excellence. But it's a universal kind of limit, since the guys you line up across from have to deal with increased cost and diminishing returns, too. So 48 is a suitable goal, or at least starting point.

Here are a couple of plays from my LOT who had strength and blocking in the 70's, agiltiy above the soft cap, Protect at 4, and speed far too low:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=142678&pbp_id=1338714

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=142678&pbp_id=1338743

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=142678&pbp_id=1338981

I guess I can take solace in the fact that I'm not the only tackle that DE has abused, but I guarantee I'll have speed at or above 48 next time we meet.

Your team gave up 21 sacks and 88 points. Not sure what is wrong but I imagine there is a lot that needs to be addressed before you will be competitive against them.

Originally posted by czman
Originally posted by rekcuf

Originally posted by czman



Maybe I have been lucky and never faced any well built defensive lineman. Good for me.

I just think using 48 as a stopping point is ridiculous. I understand that is where points cost 2:1 but that does not mean it is ideal for anything. It is an arbitrary stopping point based more on cost than on actual play. I think you can fall short of that and be OK.

If I am wrong it will take 3 boosts to fix it.

No, of course soft capping speaks more to build utility than it does to something as tenuous as excellence. But it's a universal kind of limit, since the guys you line up across from have to deal with increased cost and diminishing returns, too. So 48 is a suitable goal, or at least starting point.

Here are a couple of plays from my LOT who had strength and blocking in the 70's, agiltiy above the soft cap, Protect at 4, and speed far too low:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=142678&pbp_id=1338714

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=142678&pbp_id=1338743

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=142678&pbp_id=1338981

I guess I can take solace in the fact that I'm not the only tackle that DE has abused, but I guarantee I'll have speed at or above 48 next time we meet.

Your team gave up 21 sacks and 88 points. Not sure what is wrong but I imagine there is a lot that needs to be addressed before you will be competitive against them.

Where did you get those #s from??

Originally posted by czman

Your team gave up 21 sacks and 88 points. Not sure what is wrong but I imagine there is a lot that needs to be addressed before you will be competitive against them.

So? Their starting OL averages 32! They should be able to prevent 21 sacks! The player linked is a L34 OT who should be able to hold his own against any DE since it's mostly a 1v1 battle out on the edge.

I am getting killed by speed DEs this year. I gave up zero sacks last year and at least 10 this year. I built it a very normal way (blocking and strength), but am still giving up sacks. I think I need to set speed and agility to 60+, but then Bort will probably Nerf that skill.

What do you all think about the importance of speed and agility for Gs and Cs? My gut says that they're probably important to a certain degree but not as important as they are for outside linemen. I've been focusing on the second caps on strength and blocking first but would love to hear feedback.

Originally posted by PackMan97
Originally posted by czman


Your team gave up 21 sacks and 88 points. Not sure what is wrong but I imagine there is a lot that needs to be addressed before you will be competitive against them.

So? Their starting OL averages 32! They should be able to prevent 21 sacks! The player linked is a L34 OT who should be able to hold his own against any DE since it's mostly a 1v1 battle out on the edge.

Kind of my point it is hard to take o-line advice from someone who links a game where the team gives up 21 sacks and loses by 88. I will admit though that was the first game of the season, therefore, his players may have been 28 and boosted at 29 to 32 after the game while the opponents may have been 32 at that point. I am not sure what the levels were for the game but come on 88-0 and 21 sacks. Hard to take your advice seriously.

Not to pile on, but I agree...I would be very curious to see a build on the OT there to try to figure out what is going on. I would guess that asd a team they are building like the teammates. Maybe an extremely balanced build? As in atr/agi/blk/vis/conf/spd, etc all being about the same?

Originally posted by Dudly
What do you all think about the importance of speed and agility for Gs and Cs? My gut says that they're probably important to a certain degree but not as important as they are for outside linemen. I've been focusing on the second caps on strength and blocking first but would love to hear feedback.

I've been wondering this myself. I've been training speed/agility for my guard lately as I work on capping block, and I have no idea how much I should concentrate on it once I 48 blocking.

You're not getting it, dude. Olav was 32 or 33 at the time. He had a model build. As I said, strength and blocking were 70+. Protect at 4. His equipment is all in strength and blocking. He even had agility softcapped. His speed was about 20 at the time.

We got our arse kicked that day because we couldn't protect the QB. I couldn't protect the QB because I wasn't fast enough. You don't have to rub salt in the wound when I'm trying to let learn from my mistakes.

If you don't want to take the advice given here, fine. If you don't want to take it seriously, even, fine. But the only reason I could come up with for why my tackle got utterly abused on that day was because his speed was magnitudes lower than the spindly speed rusher across from him. If you have another explanation, I'd love to hear it.