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Originally posted by _OSIRIS_
Instead of "like" show some actual researched facts.

you are such a douche, just look at box scores of top passing teams against good humans vs CPU... this has been blatently obvious on all tiers. Just look at gamelogs of the QBs for BS&B, Poetry, us, Log, etc.

I have a life so I'm not going to spend hours on GLB2scout to find statistics. This is obvious.

You have already made it clear you want thing to stay where they are, because it benefits your system. HBs are the top 8 HOF overall, and the run-heavy benefits you so you are going to keep fighting it as much as you can.

and I'm going to say this again, just because some people will think I'm saying these things just because I want things to change so my offense is better.

We get a TON of INTs ourselves on defense, and it greatly benefits us on defense for things to stay where they are, but the passing game is just ugly to watch right now.

We have a player that will smash the crap out of the single season INT record this season, and I have no clue what the team INT record is, but it wouldn't surprise me if we break the team one this season too. I'm saying the stuff I am to benefit the game overall, not just us on O.

There are games where we throw 3-4 interceptions and I am ready to go on the forum and start raging. Then we throw 1 in the next 3 games. Detroit and Whoville combined to throw 1 interception on 74 attempts against the same team. Could it just maybe be something you are doing?

Take away the 2 CPU teams Madison has faced you get 25 interceptions on 979 attempts. 2.5% interception rate.

The NFL interception rates Sov posted were pretty on par to our current rates, but those were all time historical career bests. Our current rates are not just on par with the NFL but on par with the lowest ever in the NFL.

incompetent humans/CPU*

Originally posted by TDiddy8701
incompetent humans/CPU*

I guess that's subjective. You can just pick whatever games you want to pick to fit your narrative. How many picks did you throw against Whoville again?

Looking at some stats, and this is a glance so I didn't look carefully and I admit that, the middle-of-the-pack QB ratings in the leagues I looked at seem a little lower than middle of the pack QB's in real life (not a whole lot lower, so it's not ridiculous, but a little lower). It's also better than last season, when even the top QB's didn't match the top QB ratings from the NFL (we expect more variation due to less competitive balance than the NFL, so the top guys should do better than the top NFL guys; the middle of the pack should be around the same as the NFL middle of the pack). I don't think the interception rates are out of line, but I think it's a little to hard to complete passes, though it's also a definite improvement over last season.

The tradeoff from passing is you move the ball better but you have more turnovers. Passing doesn't move the ball quite well enough right now, I'd say. It's also fairly close, so nothing huge should be done, either.

We are a 57% run team btw. I would not consider that run heavy. Go ahead and making passing stupid overpowered and make running terrible. We will pass the ball and still win a lot of games. My system is to score one more point than our opponent. I just prefer balance to the sim over all the cheesy stuff. I prefer a chess match over who is the first to 50 points.

Originally posted by _OSIRIS_
We are a 57% run team btw. I would not consider that run heavy. Go ahead and making passing stupid overpowered and make running terrible. We will pass the ball and still win a lot of games. My system is to score one more point than our opponent. I just prefer balance to the sim over all the cheesy stuff. I prefer a chess match over who is the first to 50 points.

I know you're arguing with someone who thinks there's a massive imbalance. I'm not saying there is; but an average QBRAT is below an average one in real life right now, so passing seems a little underpowered (a little, not massively), though also definitely better than last season. I read your thread in suggestions about allowing us to make it so the TE is never held back, and that might be enough to fix things. But right now passing isn't moving the ball quite as well as it does in real life, from what I'm looking at.

Originally posted by Nyria

The tradeoff from passing is you move the ball better but you have more turnovers. Passing doesn't move the ball quite well enough right now, I'd say. It's also fairly close, so nothing huge should be done, either.

We have 205 first downs on 536 attempts, 8.5 ypa, and a 61.5% completion rate. Passing seems fine. The thing is you can't just call the same passes at the same rate against every team and expect the same results. The same goes with the run. I'm not spam TE Flag against a team that runs 3-2-6 C2 TE Smother and expect the same result that I got against the previous team that blitzed or ran a zone. I'm not going to do that and come here saying passing is broke because I threw for 32% and had 3 interceptions when I could have ran the ball for 8ypc.

Originally posted by _OSIRIS_
We have 205 first downs on 536 attempts, 8.5 ypa, and a 61.5% completion rate. Passing seems fine. The thing is you can't just call the same passes at the same rate against every team and expect the same results. The same goes with the run. I'm not spam TE Flag against a team that runs 3-2-6 C2 TE Smother and expect the same result that I got against the previous team that blitzed or ran a zone. I'm not going to do that and come here saying passing is broke because I threw for 32% and had 3 interceptions when I could have ran the ball for 8ypc.

I'm only coordinating defense right now, so I'm not managing an offense of any sort.

But I'm looking at the stats from the highest ranked league among the teams you're listed among the coaches of, the Franklin League. 13 QB's qualify to be ranked in the league leaders. The one in the middle, 6 above him and 6 below, is named Brennan Emerson. He has a 61.5 QBRat. He only has 3.7 ypa which would be ridiculous except he's much lower than the middle of the league in ypa; but the middle of the league is 5.4 ypa. The middle of the league in completion % is 49.7%. That's the middle of the league in those categories.

A QB with 5.4 ypa and a comp% under 50% would not be coming back to a job next season, pro or most likely college. He's the median on both stats in the Franklin League. So it isn't quite right. It isn't ridiculous like last season, but isn't quite right either.

By the way, what people sometimes don't get is that what "balanced" looks like is the best offenses putting up great numbers because it includes blowouts against weak/incompetent defenses. If you're getting 8.5 ypa and a 61.5% completion rate, you're doing better than a top NFL team at least in ypa (but about like a top one in comp%), and much less against teams that are as well run and talented on defense as yours is on offense. The only way to get an idea of the balance is the median team, because they're overmatched as often as they overmatch the opponent.

Let's look at what's really going on with Brennan Emerson, the middle guy.

I WR Screen Strong 85 times 1ypa
I Weak Flag Deep Post 46 times
SB BIG PA Flood Weak 42 times 42.9% sack rate

No S*s in the pass game. 2 of their 3 top play calls are very bad plays.

Now let's look at the top passer Eli,

SB TRIP WR Posts
I Weak Flag Deep Post
SG WR Hook

2 S*WRs and a S*TE. 2 great pass plays and one good one. Their run game compliments their passing game very nicely.

The top guys are not top guys by accident and the mediocre guys have little direction, call bad plays, and probably have questionable builds at best throughout the entire offense.

What is going to happen with a passing buff? Those middle guys will moderatly move up if at all while eli will be throwing for 75% and 800 ypg.

Originally posted by _OSIRIS_
Let's look at what's really going on with Brennan Emerson, the middle guy.

I WR Screen Strong 85 times 1ypa
I Weak Flag Deep Post 46 times
SB BIG PA Flood Weak 42 times 42.9% sack rate

No S*s in the pass game. 2 of their 3 top play calls are very bad plays.

Now let's look at the top passer Eli,

SB TRIP WR Posts
I Weak Flag Deep Post
SG WR Hook

2 S*WRs and a S*TE. 2 great pass plays and one good one. Their run game compliments their passing game very nicely.

The top guys are not top guys by accident and the mediocre guys have little direction, call bad plays, and probably have questionable builds at best throughout the entire offense.

What is going to happen with a passing buff? Those middle guys will moderatly move up if at all while eli will be throwing for 75% and 800 ypg.

Right, there's a huge difference in what the top players can do and others. The same is true on defense. Eli's sometimes passing into defenses that have no S*s and are running stupid defenses. When he does that he should get 10 ypa and 70% or more completions. What does Eli do against the best teams? Look at the best three pass defenses he's faced. That's where (I think) the problem will be found. He's probably held to 50% completions and 6 ypa, top offense vs top defense. That's where numbers should be looking like real life; and they aren't stupid like last season where it was often going to be a 3-0 game, but they aren't like real life numbers. Because if he's completing 61% of his passes overall, what's he doing against S*-full defenses that are run by guys who know what they're doing?

I want to add that your look at Emerson's team did open my eyes to how bad bad coaching in GLB2 is. And how much bad coaching there is, maybe, because there are QBs doing a lot worse than Emerson is.

I'm thinking they need more and better premade playbooks on both offense and defense, so that anyone can put together a mediocre game plan by using them, because a lot of teams would be well off with mediocre game plans considering what they're using-- and then inflated stats from playing horrible teams, if the better default playbooks were used, would be less inflated.

Originally posted by Nyria
Because if he's completing 61% of his passes overall, what's he doing against S*-full defenses that are run by guys who know what they're doing?

Competing. Running the ball and passing, trying to score one more point than the opponent. Against the top three defenses I see at a glance they scored 30,20, and 24 all wins. Perfect imo. It's not suppose to be easy.