Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Pen15
there is a pretty good demand for those of you willing to specialize in serving underdeveloped populations who might be dealing with their own unique brand of health problems. you might find this field interesting http://www.jhsph.edu/departments/international-health/academic-programs/global-disease-epidemiology-control/

also outside of a university you could be like a forensic pathologist or something... or maybe those folks still operate tied to a university, idk

hmm, i don't know about the serving in underdeveloped populations, but i have looked into epidemiology. that might be pretty cool. i'm aware of the job opportunities for pathologists, and speaking of forensics i think many of the people that go into pathology here come from forensics backgrounds.

Mat,

just rest assured you have a far better chance of getting a job than liberal arts majors.

Originally posted by mat5592
hmm, i don't know about the serving in underdeveloped populations, but i have looked into epidemiology. that might be pretty cool. i'm aware of the job opportunities for pathologists, and speaking of forensics i think many of the people that go into pathology here come from forensics backgrounds.

Don't you have to be a liar to be a pathologist?

Originally posted by jampysos
Mat,

just rest assured you have a far better chance of getting a job than liberal arts majors.

i'm aware

Originally posted by Darktanian
Don't you have to be a liar to be a pathologist?

lol

Originally posted by mat5592
okay gd, all this talk of school made me want to talk about mine, but i didn't feel like it was worth another thread of its own. i'm currently a junior in undergrad and have been thinking about what i want to do after i graduate. i know i could get an okay job with my bachelor's, but i want more. more education, more opportunities. i've looked into things and i think i have it down between two options: med school, or pursue a ph.d. in the biomedical sciences. if i were to do med school, i'm thinking i would do pathology. in the ph.d. program, i would start with an undifferentiated year and work under multiple researchers, and then choose my specialization from there (favoring immunology and microbial pathogenesis, but there are several that interest me and i have the year to see what i like best). there are advantages and disadvantages to both, so i'm a little torn.

med school
-would have to take out a ton of loans and be way in debt
-i currently don't have all the prereqs, so i would need to find time to do these. this might mean taking classes after i already have my bachelor's, so more debt (my scholarships only last 4 years)
-would make quite a bit of money

ph.d.
-if i were to get into this program, i would actually get paid to do it, ~25,000/yr plus health insurance, tuition covered (no debt)
-though i think i would enjoy being a pathologist, this seems a little more like me
-wouldn't make that much money

also, anyone know what the job market for scientists is like? how likely is it that i would get a job outside of a university (not that i have any problem working at one).

Probably shouldn't have posted in the random crap thread if I wanted replies lol

Thats a decent question,

post it in mine or make your own science related thread.

What is your current major? I'm a human bio Sophomore, and Im thinking I will augment that with an associates in something like nursing so I can be a phlebotomist, get a head start in the med career before I actually go for med school

Originally posted by rams78110
What is your current major? I'm a human bio Sophomore, and Im thinking I will augment that with an associates in something like nursing so I can be a phlebotomist, get a head start in the med career before I actually go for med school

Medical laboratory science. You should be fine getting into med school with just the bio major (assuming you have the grades, test score, etc.). Phlebotomy is pretty easy, you might not need nursing to do that. It might look good but most people get in fine with just a bio degree and no work experience.

Originally posted by mat5592
Medical laboratory science. You should be fine getting into med school with just the bio major (assuming you have the grades, test score, etc.). Phlebotomy is pretty easy, you might not need nursing to do that. It might look good but most people get in fine with just a bio degree and no work experience.

Grades, meh. I messed around my freshman year and now I only have a 3.1, and in terms of medschool applications, that makes me a retard. I really want to get into CU-Anschutz or Ohio State, and those are fairly picky so I want to be absolutely sure I can get it. They have a 26:1 and 9:1 application:admittance ratio, respectively

well you'll want to get the gpa up, that's for sure. surprisingly, though, you could probably find yourself in med school with a 3.3 (maybe not in the schools you mentioned), but if you really want to be in med school you won't be picky and will go to whatever school accepts you. since you're a sophomore you have plenty of time to raise it, so i would suggest taking your classes seriously. if you only manage around a 3.3 by the time you apply, you can always make it up in other aspects. a med school committee member here said those with lower gpas can really help themselves out with a high mcat. if you have a really high gpa, you can afford a lower mcat score, but if you have a lower gpa a high score will put you closer to the level of those with high gpas. also start interacting with certain professors and always go to to their class so you can pull out some good references to help you out even more.

Originally posted by jampysos
Thats a decent question,

post it in mine or make your own science related thread.

probably wouldn't help tbh

Heck yeah Florida gulf coast

Originally posted by mat5592
okay gd, all this talk of school made me want to talk about mine, but i didn't feel like it was worth another thread of its own. i'm currently a junior in undergrad and have been thinking about what i want to do after i graduate. i know i could get an okay job with my bachelor's, but i want more. more education, more opportunities. i've looked into things and i think i have it down between two options: med school, or pursue a ph.d. in the biomedical sciences. if i were to do med school, i'm thinking i would do pathology. in the ph.d. program, i would start with an undifferentiated year and work under multiple researchers, and then choose my specialization from there (favoring immunology and microbial pathogenesis, but there are several that interest me and i have the year to see what i like best). there are advantages and disadvantages to both, so i'm a little torn.

med school
-would have to take out a ton of loans and be way in debt
-i currently don't have all the prereqs, so i would need to find time to do these. this might mean taking classes after i already have my bachelor's, so more debt (my scholarships only last 4 years)
-would make quite a bit of money

ph.d.
-if i were to get into this program, i would actually get paid to do it, ~25,000/yr plus health insurance, tuition covered (no debt)
-though i think i would enjoy being a pathologist, this seems a little more like me
-wouldn't make that much money

also, anyone know what the job market for scientists is like? how likely is it that i would get a job outside of a university (not that i have any problem working at one).

a good buddy of mine faced this decision a few years ago. he chose PhD. a big deciding factor was the money aspect...sure, you make a bunch as a doctor, but you don't start really pulling it in for a while. as a resident (this is my understanding from him, so I'm not sure of the accuracy) you'd make about as much as the average post-doc, but the hospital pays your malpractice insurance. when you move up to an attending, you start making decent coin, but pay your own insurance at that point. In other words, the real money doesn't come in for a while.

If you go the PhD route, you won't top out as high as a doctor, but you'll be in an upper income level sooner, without the stress of med school/med boards, 100 hour weeks in residency, and all the rest of the horrible shit that comes with it. the whole stipend/paid tuition aspect of grad school in the sciences is pretty sweet, too. the kicker there is to be sure to attend a university that has some research going on that you are legitimately interested in. a huge part of the reason I left grad school with a masters as opposed to a PhD is that once I got into it, I realized that there was really nobody doing work at my institution that I was intrinsically interested in. you really do have to like the research you're doing to make PhD work palatable.

Originally posted by seths99
a good buddy of mine faced this decision a few years ago. he chose PhD. a big deciding factor was the money aspect...sure, you make a bunch as a doctor, but you don't start really pulling it in for a while. as a resident (this is my understanding from him, so I'm not sure of the accuracy) you'd make about as much as the average post-doc, but the hospital pays your malpractice insurance. when you move up to an attending, you start making decent coin, but pay your own insurance at that point. In other words, the real money doesn't come in for a while.

If you go the PhD route, you won't top out as high as a doctor, but you'll be in an upper income level sooner, without the stress of med school/med boards, 100 hour weeks in residency, and all the rest of the horrible shit that comes with it. the whole stipend/paid tuition aspect of grad school in the sciences is pretty sweet, too. the kicker there is to be sure to attend a university that has some research going on that you are legitimately interested in. a huge part of the reason I left grad school with a masters as opposed to a PhD is that once I got into it, I realized that there was really nobody doing work at my institution that I was intrinsically interested in. you really do have to like the research you're doing to make PhD work palatable.

good points, thanks! how's your friend doing now?