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Originally posted by r87
I would like to cite the CPL mod nominations thread and the CPL rules thread as great examples of the collective apathy towards srs business

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Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Iceman16

GLB forums are pretty much the first ones I've ever posted in, and I haven't fallen into any tarps since I started posting in CPL (cept when I advertised for coordinating before S6, oh gawd). It's pretty easy to not look like a fucking idiot.

am i lacking testosterone or something?

i feel sorry for people like boltz. i may do things like make the BoltzStalker™, but i'd rather help him out if he's just freaking listen for once.

I'm not sure I see your point here...

It's also worth noting that I've had civil conversations with SI, Ubasstards, roctronic, and onepeat, all of whom said they didnt really have a problem with me (at least then), and I've tried to explain to them what's getting them made fun of, but then they ignore me and call a retard like drksandman to come abuse his power...

Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Originally posted by horribly offended
Originally posted by Azure Dreams
That's the stigma, sure, but it's really not that accurate.
which part is the stigma?
Originally posted by assbag
i might be missing some of the timeline, but that doesn't erode my suspicion that most of the people that later end up being enraged didn't start off being congenial.
further, most of the resultant rage stems from "victims" trying to respond in kind. because of the asymmetry involved, they can never get nasty enough...

huh. didn't even know that was a "stigma", but okay.

and i fail to see how that isn't accurate... especially the latter part.

Originally posted by Catullus 16
i feel sorry for people like boltz. i may do things like make the BoltzStalker™, but i'd rather help him out if he's just freaking listen for once.

He won't listen.

I've spent hours trying to explain to him why he gets made fun of and picked on...he agrees to stop, then continues doing it after he is unbanned.

Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Originally posted by r87

I would like to cite the CPL mod nominations thread and the CPL rules thread as great examples of the collective apathy towards srs business

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I mean, they were mostly on topic for about two pages each. You should be proud of that.

Originally posted by Deathblade
Originally posted by Catullus 16
i think what's happening here is that what passes for a non-insult for most of the CPL is still very insulting for some.
consider "GTFO".
Again, as has been said repeatedly...uptight douchebags who take the internet way too serious.
Refer to my threshold argument...it is impossible to please everyone unless you allow no negative talk at all.

instead of "uptight douchebags", how about "people who don't know the memes yet"?

and yes, the threshold argument is a tough one... but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be a threshold. theoretically, GLB would arbitrarily pick one, communicated it via rules, and enforce it with mods. so i think we're partially there -- the question is how to close the gap between forum rules and forum behavior in order to prevent what seems to be a frequent occurrence.

Originally posted by r87
Originally posted by Iceman16
Originally posted by Azure Dreams
You're just plain incorrect about roctronic, tbh.
This, emphatically.
Yea Catullus knows that now, it jsut took him a while to reach the evidence. He's been responding to every post that like five of us have been making. Quite a feat tbh

i'm posting like a nazi.

Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Originally posted by Catullus 16
i think what's happening here is that what passes for a non-insult for most of the CPL is still very insulting for some.
consider "GTFO".
GTFO is the only exception I can think of, because that does get tossed around a lot (its half-joking, but you can't blame a newbie for not knowing that) but even that isn't so common until someone roctronic's.

and then you've also got the effect that said newbie misperceives every further meme and inside joke as yet another personal attack.

i'm not saying this is right or wrong, i'm just trying to point to the mechanics of what happens.

Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Azure Dreams

Originally posted by Catullus 16

i think what's happening here is that what passes for a non-insult for most of the CPL is still very insulting for some.
consider "GTFO".
GTFO is the only exception I can think of, because that does get tossed around a lot (its half-joking, but you can't blame a newbie for not knowing that) but even that isn't so common until someone roctronic's.

and then you've also got the effect that said newbie misperceives every further meme and inside joke as yet another personal attack.

i'm not saying this is right or wrong, i'm just trying to point to the mechanics of what happens.

Well, most of the newbies don't....

Originally posted by Catullus 16
instead of "uptight douchebags", how about "people who don't know the memes yet"?

People who get offended and starts crying to admins when a random person on an internet forum says gtfo is pretty uptight and taking themselves/the internet way too seriously.

Has nothing to do with "knowing memes", it has to do with having thicker skin than a wet paper bag.

Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Azure Dreams

Originally posted by Catullus 16

i think what's happening here is that what passes for a non-insult for most of the CPL is still very insulting for some.
consider "GTFO".
GTFO is the only exception I can think of, because that does get tossed around a lot (its half-joking, but you can't blame a newbie for not knowing that) but even that isn't so common until someone roctronic's.

and then you've also got the effect that said newbie misperceives every further meme and inside joke as yet another personal attack.

i'm not saying this is right or wrong, i'm just trying to point to the mechanics of what happens.

The problem is, this happens when users are new to the internet in general, as is wont to be the case for older people, under 15 year olds, and retards.

Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Originally posted by Catullus 16
so wait... we're agreeing that the CPL "routinely flouts the rules"?
and then the counter-defense is that "everyone else is doing it"?
There is no counter defense. Just the fact that you can argue that the rules are flouted or you can argue tha tthey aren't. But if you argue that they are, you need to take into account this isn't exclusive to CPL because it literally happens in every forum. Yet we're having this conversation about CPL. So obviously it isn't due to the rule-flouting by itself.

"happens in every forum" = "everyone else is doing it"

i guess the point here is that since the GG crowd isn't wrong about the rule-flouting that then that needs to be addressed somehow. either adjust the forum rules (good luck), or create custom rules (and then also justify why the CPL gets that favor), or do the segregation thing... or get some sort of newbie-advocate to deflect this sort of thing.

let's agree that any other forum would be having these same issues if they were as active as the CPL. so this is nothing about the CPL regulars/mods in particular. given that it's a structural problem, i'm just wondering if there's a structural solution.

Originally posted by Deathblade
Originally posted by Catullus 16
and GTFO only really became universal a few seasons ago.
LOLOLOL WAT?
GTFO has been around WAY before GLB was even thought of.

that's not at all what i mean, of course.

i'm saying GTFO wasn't universal within GLB until a few seasons ago. same thing with "wat" a couple seasons before that.

now everyone says it and everyone gets it.

Originally posted by Azure Dreams
ldo, on the other hand, is pretty recent. And now bort's saying it. So apparently he ♥ CPL.

another good example.

Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Azure Dreams

Originally posted by Catullus 16

so wait... we're agreeing that the CPL "routinely flouts the rules"?
and then the counter-defense is that "everyone else is doing it"?
There is no counter defense. Just the fact that you can argue that the rules are flouted or you can argue tha tthey aren't. But if you argue that they are, you need to take into account this isn't exclusive to CPL because it literally happens in every forum. Yet we're having this conversation about CPL. So obviously it isn't due to the rule-flouting by itself.

"happens in every forum" = "everyone else is doing it"

i guess the point here is that since the GG crowd isn't wrong about the rule-flouting that then that needs to be addressed somehow. either adjust the forum rules (good luck), or create custom rules (and then also justify why the CPL gets that favor), or do the segregation thing... or get some sort of newbie-advocate to deflect this sort of thing.

let's agree that any other forum would be having these same issues if they were as active as the CPL. so this is nothing about the CPL regulars/mods in particular. given that it's a structural problem, i'm just wondering if there's a structural solution.

Change the rules and/or (and this part is necessary either way) fire the dozen mods who are godawful and replace them with people capable of using discretion in a responsible manner.

No forum anywhere are the rules completely followed excluding rule-less forums. But no forum is ever successful when mods are chosen so arbitrarily, given so much autonomy, and suck so badly.