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Rob.
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Originally posted by Galithor
Don't get me wrong Rob. I think Sedita's got a better build than the Logzilla guys too. Speed is good.

Xars, you don't have to explain to me the merits of running those 3WR plays. I ran that core of plays with Air Raid before the Scout tool told everyone else that they were cool.

And yes, that does make me cooler than the rest of you Johnny Come lately all passing OCs


Thanks grandpa
 
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Originally posted by Galithor
Don't get me wrong Rob. I think Sedita's got a better build than the Logzilla guys too. Speed is good.

Xars, you don't have to explain to me the merits of running those 3WR plays. I ran that core of plays with Air Raid before the Scout tool told everyone else that they were cool.

And yes, that does make me cooler than the rest of you Johnny Come lately all passing OCs


I was running these plays before you season 2er's were born.
 
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And back then the field went uphill both ways god damnit.
 
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Originally posted by Galithor
Don't get me wrong Rob. I think Sedita's got a better build than the Logzilla guys too. Speed is good.

Xars, you don't have to explain to me the merits of running those 3WR plays. I ran that core of plays with Air Raid before the Scout tool told everyone else that they were cool.

And yes, that does make me cooler than the rest of you Johnny Come lately all passing OCs


But Gal, I've done it almost as well for much cheaper Salary.

Anyway,

If I had to re-bulid Belgarion, I'd go Speedster instead of Shifty. Re-building him as a Speedster would save about 6k SP - enough for a few more points of Sprinting. RE is too expensive and I don't see it worth the SP cost. {I actually did a regression analysis on WRs and determined that Route Elsuiv (RE) had a NEGATIVE correlation to Catch Rate% and YPA.}

Since Rob. was too lazy to do Sedita's WR3 #'s, I did.

WR3 Sedita is 64.55% catch rate with YPA of 8.73 and 13.53 YPC.
WR3 Belgarion is 59.75% catch rate with YPA of 8.16 and 13.65 YPC. (which is odd b/c Sedita has multiple long TDs)

The 3-target fail rate is 4.46% for Sedita and 6.52% for Belgarion; or once in 22 First Downs for Sedita vs. 15 for Belgarion. Basically, they both dominate. Considering the average drive is less than 8 First Downs needed to score, both builds have results far in excess of that.

Ex-some long TDs for Sedita it's possible Belgarion is a slightly better (highly debatable because hey they happened) WR3 Slot build, but Sedita's ability to run Screens out of 2WR would easily trump that.

It's possible that Saul's higher Accuracy than Belgarath plays a part or just having other S* WRs/TEs, but that's an unknown.

Bottom line: I'd take Sedita's build over Belgarion's and run 2WR all day long if I could ideally. Speedster > Shifty.

2WR is clearly the dominant Passing Set.
Edited by Xars on Aug 7, 2015 15:02:44
 
Rob.
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Originally posted by Xars
2WR is clearly the dominant Passing Set.


I don't agree. If you show no running threat from 2WR you can't run 2WR exclusively and do better than an offense that runs 3WR exclusively. Screens can get regularly shut down for little to negative yardage and you are replacing a slot WR for a FB.

 
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there's a decent screen out of 5 WR too actually
 
Xars
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Originally posted by Rob.
I don't agree. If you show no running threat from 2WR you can't run 2WR exclusively and do better than an offense that runs 3WR exclusively. Screens can get regularly shut down for little to negative yardage and you are replacing a slot WR for a FB.



Possibly but,

I know the personnel suggests that 3WR is better than 2WR, but in the end a FB is cheap and if the results are as good or better, that's a relative advantage.

Out of 2WR, DA rushes 11% of the time for 3.2 yards. Half of those running plays (26 out of 55) were in 3rd and 2 situations. DA is 2% run on First Down.

Out of 2WR, Madison rushes 24% of the time for 3.6 yards. Madison is 19% run on First Down for 4.2 yards and 100% run on 3rd and 2.

I Weak Flag Deep Post + Double Back Out and Up + Chalice + I WR Screen and Weak I WR Screen seem like a very difficult combo. Assuming you have a S* WR that's built for Screens (Sedita or Latimer).

So while 3WR seems more straight forward, with the right builds and roster makeup 2WR looks just as viable (or close/maybe better).
Edited by Xars on Aug 7, 2015 16:49:14
 
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Originally posted by Xars
Possibly but,

I know the personnel suggests that 3WR is better than 2WR, but in the end a FB is cheap and if the results are as good or better, that's a relative advantage.

Out of 2WR, DA rushes 11% of the time for 3.2 yards. Half of those running plays (26 out of 55) were in 3rd and 2 situations. DA is 2% run on First Down.

Out of 2WR, Madison rushes 24% of the time for 3.6 yards. Madison is 19% run on First Down for 4.2 yards and 100% run on 3rd and 2.

I Weak Flag Deep Post + Double Back Out and Up + Chalice + I WR Screen and Weak I WR Screen seem like a very difficult combo. Assuming you have a S* WR that's built for Screens (Sedita or Latimer).

So while 3WR seems more straight forward, with the right builds and roster makeup 2WR looks just as viable (or close/maybe better).


If you ran only those 5 plays I would just put in a screen defense and wait for you to fail. You better hope a screen doesn't come up on 3rd down.

When teams like DA and Madison play top tier DC's we don't run screens as often because they are a high risk/reward type play. If you go screen heavy you risk getting shut down hard. Screens are amazing against middle of the pack or bad teams and those are what really drive up the YPA/YPC numbers, because a bad screen defense can result in an 80 yard TD, while a bad 3WR defense can result in a 15-20 yard completion.

In my 4 games against Madison, Tdiddy has ran 7 screens total.
 
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Originally posted by bhall43
I was running these plays before you season 2er's were born.


No you weren't., lol. 4 WR unders was the season 1 meta
 
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Originally posted by TDiddy8701
there's a decent screen out of 5 WR too actually


Especially with run blockers in at WR4 and WR5.
 
Xars
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GG TDiddy/ Madison.

I F**ked-up my Offense but without a Speed RO and some more Cover CBs, I really don't have a shot.
 
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Looking forward to Whoville Richmond later.
 
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Originally posted by Cuivienen
Looking forward to Whoville Richmond later.


GG

Richmond moves up 5 spots from #11 to #6 - shows how close the middle of the pack is when it comes to ladder.
 
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Originally posted by Galithor
No you weren't., lol. 4 WR unders was the season 1 meta


Unders, WR Hook, Corner Threat, TE Drives, and TE Post. Anything with an angled part of the route, especially the corners.
 
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Originally posted by Xars
GG TDiddy/ Madison.

I F**ked-up my Offense but without a Speed RO and some more Cover CBs, I really don't have a shot.


GG

This is actually one of the more surprising big wins we've had in a while... I expected a really close game
 
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