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Originally posted by mutleyddmc DTD
10k passing isn't that OP imo. That's a much more realistic number over 30 games than that of a rushing QB

If Quincy finishes this season with 10K yards, even if only half is QB Rollout, I'll totally be on board with the OP argument.

But telling me it's OP now, when I have all of Yorick's last season as evidence to the contrary, is going to be a tough sell.

Originally posted by Xavori
If Quincy finishes this season with 10K yards, even if only half is QB Rollout, I'll totally be on board with the OP argument.

But telling me it's OP now, when I have all of Yorick's last season as evidence to the contrary, is going to be a tough sell.

Because a passer averaging 333 yards a game is kind of what a good pass first team should do. A running team with who pass like 0.0001% of the time, should not average 12 YPC.

Originally posted by Xavori

We're going to run QB Rollout less because we lost pretty much every game where it got stopped, but we're still going to run it because there are all kinds of people who don't try to solve problems, but instead come running to forums crying NERF, and it will continue to work against them. And even those teams who do figure it out are going to take some time to make the kinds of build adjustments to fix their defense anyway, if they even bother rather than trying to trying to fix builds for the far more dangerous QB's with 10k yards passing.

Maybe delusional instead? Awesome that you claim I'm "running to the forums crying NERF" - my team has not lost to a team that runs it in a real game (league/playoffs/ladder) - not yet anyway (it may happen any moment).

I'm the exact opposite of you - I have nothing to personally gain here. My team abuses the play sometimes. My team does give up big plays to the QB roll out...but it has not contributed to a single loss (yet...35 games in)

My motivation is genuinely and purely in the best interest of the game. My interest is genuinely and purely in the interest of tweaking a play that is overpowered and almost certainly leads to rookie team owners throwing their hands in the air and giving up -- or saying "oh...that's what the game is about? running the same play over and over that is very difficult to stop? I'll find something else to go play"

You are a delusional liar with an agenda. I'm enjoying our posts a lot more now that I just envision my 8 year old daughter's mindset when she pleads and pleads for us to buy her a hamster.

Originally posted by Xavori
If Quincy finishes this season with 10K yards, even if only half is QB Rollout, I'll totally be on board with the OP argument.

But telling me it's OP now, when I have all of Yorick's last season as evidence to the contrary, is going to be a tough sell.

Also you are for once starting to annoy me by only referencing quincy. You have 2 QBs, so you have to combine their yardage if we are going to compare rushing qbs to passing QBs here.

Or should I find a 2 QB system that had 10000 yards combine but say well this qb only got 5000 yards.

The fact is that a 10000 yard passer only averages <7 ypa means its working pretty well imo. If it was >10YPA then we would have an issue. Because we also don't take into account sack yardage, which really is an attempt to pass that results in negative yardage. So shall we not take in TFL for a rushing QB?

Oh and the main gripe I have with the GL strong qb roll out is the fact I think if I started over I could stop it 8/10 times, however it would require me to put all my points into stopping it meaning I'd get killed by any balanced or pass first team.
The offense doesn't have that issue, you have 1 strategy that you will run and that's it. RUN RUN RUN no matter the defence.

Originally posted by mutleyddmc DTD
Oh and the main gripe I have with the GL strong qb roll out is the fact I think if I started over I could stop it 8/10 times, however it would require me to put all my points into stopping it meaning I'd get killed by any balanced or pass first team.
The offense doesn't have that issue, you have 1 strategy that you will run and that's it. RUN RUN RUN no matter the defence.

Well, not all your points, and a lot of the changes I'm making on Yorick's D actually make the team better overall on defense.

And, we're #1 in our league against the run, but only #10 against the pass so I think I'm on the right track. I blame the #10 passing on zone coverage problems.

Originally posted by TxSteve
Maybe delusional instead? Awesome that you claim I'm "running to the forums crying NERF" - my team has not lost to a team that runs it in a real game (league/playoffs/ladder) - not yet anyway (it may happen any moment).

Wait...let me get this straight.

You're claiming it can't beat you but you still want to argue that it's overpowered?

How does that possibly work?

Because when I look at my experience last season where it only beat us once, I come away with, "Okay. Whatever. If people want to run that against me, more to them and makes my life easier."

Oh, and I have cats that would eat a hamster if I got myself one. On top of which, they leave plenty of rodents on the front porch already, and not all of them have been dead...

Originally posted by Xavori
Wait...let me get this straight.

You're claiming it can't beat you but you still want to argue that it's overpowered?

How does that possibly work?

Because when I look at my experience last season where it only beat us once, I come away with, "Okay. Whatever. If people want to run that against me, more to them and makes my life easier."

Oh, and I have cats that would eat a hamster if I got myself one. On top of which, they leave plenty of rodents on the front porch already, and not all of them have been dead...



No honey. I'm claiming it HASN'T yet beaten me. Do you and my daughter also read at the same level? That would be awesome!

You consistently forget - we are in a thread discussing some of the things that drive new team owners away from the game.

I know that it is natural in your mind that everything revolves around you....but this discussion - in all honesty - has nothing to do with you. It isn't about Yorrick, sweetheart. But you have stood up as the "CHAMPION" of the GL QB roll out. And then you've proceeded to lie, deceive, bend facts, move goal posts, lift up straw men, and ultimately -- just make sure you are the one shouting the loudest.

I wish I could give you a hug right now...I can tell you're hurting.

Originally posted by TxSteve
I know that it is natural in your mind that everything revolves around you....but this discussion - in all honesty - has nothing to do with you. It isn't about Yorrick, sweetheart. But you have stood up as the "CHAMPION" of the GL QB roll out. And then you've proceeded to lie, deceive, bend facts, move goal posts, lift up straw men, and ultimately -- just make sure you are the one shouting the loudest.

I haven't done any of those things. Not even the world revolving around me because that'd be boring. I mean, who'd want just one world when there is an entire universe?

I've been pretty consistent with:

1. Wanting overall defensive changes that make the game better.
2. Providing evidence that QB Rollout isn't overpowered, which you yourself have now come out in agreement with by pointing out that your own experience is also that it's not overpowered.
3. Asking others to provide concrete evidence that QB Rollout is so overpowering that it can't be beat.

#1 I trust will happen as it did for coverage changes. Just gotta keep on the Maizehound about it.

#2 is all the games Yorick, D'Haran, etc lost last season and all the individual plays where it not only didn't very many yards, but lost them.

#3 is what I've been waiting on but haven't seen yet. Instead, I get called a liar and have a whole bunch of random fallacy names thrown at me which have nothing to do with any argument I've put forth.

You should check to see if any schools near you offer classes in Reasoned Discourse or Logical Argumentation. Or, just pick up a copy of Toulmin's Uses of Argumentation. It'd help you a lot in discussions like this.

This is all I'm posting to you from now on. Because it I think you can do better than you did with your excuses for why that doesn't mean its overpowered.

But I will say -- it is kind of respectable that you are really, truly committed to continuing lying -- even when it is so obvious. Blatant lies in every post - have you ever been diagnosed as psychotic?


Originally posted by Xavori
Originally posted by Xavori
Just FYI, always assume I want to make the game better and more challenging.




Originally posted by Xavori

In the meantime, there are oodles of plays that work to stop this one.



Originally posted by Xavori
it can be stopped.



Originally posted by Xavori
My normal D is just pretty good at stifling QB runs for the most part, and runs them down otherwise..



Originally posted by Xavori

I'm simply looking at the all of the evidence and drawing a conclusion based on that complete picture, not on the fact that some teams haven't bothered trying to figure out how to slow down running teams, and hence, tend to get obliterated because of their lack of effort...


Originally posted by Xavori

I beat you because I have a gameplan/team design that makes it nearly impossible to stop us for an entire game.


Originally posted by Xavori

If QB rollout is so awesomesauce that it can't be stop, how the hell does that happen?

Originally posted by TxSteve
In the Yorick Championship Game vs Meth Cookers (at the time I think):
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/game/54849

Yes - you had your trusty 2 Strong Corner Fire D in against goal line

Meth ran the GL QB roll out 9 times. Results in order:
-5
15
83
18
-4
-2
54
-2
-2

So yes...5 TFL...your argument that a play that "works less than it fails" is ridiculous. Any coach in the world would gladly trade 5 tackles for loss for 2 long TD's and 2 First Downs...

On the whole - that means they ran this play 9 times for 155 yards -- for 17 yards per carry. If they'd run it 30 times (like you do) - it is reasonable to assume they would have beaten you by a lot more than 14 points.

Just for good measure - their GL HB Sweep in order:
5
0
10
-6
25
18
23

So the great Xav -- with his 2 Strong Corner Fire - did get 1 TFL on 7 attempts of the GL HB Sweep. 7 carries - 75 yards - a little over 10 yards per carry.

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Yorick (in this championship game) ran the following GL ROll Outs (in order):
73
30
-5
10
18
14
23
-5
27
-5
8
3 (TD)
-1

13 Rushes with the QB roll out for 195 yards (and also accounting for all 14 points you scored...) for an average of 15 yards per carry in the loss. In all honesty - I would expect this is the game where you said (after) -- That's it. I am running goal line QB roll out every chance I get. You might have won if you'd run it 26 times instead of 13.

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So the offensive play(s) that are "easy to stop" - that "good teams can stop" - that "is absolutely not overpowered" -- the great Xav...in the CHAMPIONSHIP GAME... got buried for 17 yards per carry...


you are so full of it....I hope no one here ever takes one of your posts seriously again.

Originally posted by Xavori

I've been pretty consistent with:

2. Providing evidence that QB Rollout isn't overpowered, which you yourself have now come out in agreement with by pointing out that your own experience is also that it's not overpowered.



You have been pretty consistent on proving that it is overpowered and that you can't stop it. So there is that.

This is hilarious, someone must be talking so much nonsense that TXSTEVE is saying "I hope no one here ever takes one of your posts seriously again." fail Xav...

btw Steve. Everything is OP if you aren't built to stop it and you don't call the right plays

Originally posted by HayRow
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/game/38798

'ol adder did a solid job here

I'll repost this since all of you asking for "proof" just magically overlooked it...clowns