Warrior General Games

Originally posted by DigitalDaggers
lol, wrong forum then: http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread_list.pl?forum_id=2

i still love you.

woah...when did we get a suggestions forum? that is quite a neat little addition to the game...cant wait to see what people come up with.

Originally posted by Catch22
I do but I also know it's not as easy as you think it is to figure out which teams to reset and which ones to not reset. It's also not my call on that one as it's Bort who would have to do all the work.

Originally posted by SawyerReywas


http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=5511
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=5834
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=4974
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=3591
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=2845
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=5353
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=5365
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=3016
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=4946
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=2671
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=8391

Wasnt hard to find these guys. Hell they are all in the same conference!

Im sure it wouldnt be too hard

I don't see how wanting to have a level playing field is a "witch hunt' or "punishment'.

Originally posted by Dub J
Originally posted by bhall43

i think the point is that...whether they did it before this...they cant anymore...so even if they are ahead of the curve in that area now...it will even out at some point to where it doesnt matter anymore....because they cant ever do it again.

That's it in a nutshell.

Yeah, exactly.

Originally posted by Shayde
Honestly.. I'll take all my cash and throw it out the window, but the STADIUM??!?!?!!?

I worked long and hard building it, sacrificed my own players to help build sections, and now I have to tear it all down?

Reprehensible.

If you want to drop down and start over, competing with teams who have not had the same amount of time as you to gain that advantage, then yes.

Think about the perspective of a younger owner for a minute. You just finished 2 corners on your stadium, and have a nice bankroll of $8M in lv 22. You're feeling like you did pretty well, you're geared up to pay for your players and probably bring in some new recruits with some good signing bonuses. Then you look at the other teams in your league. One of them has $180M and a full stadium. You don't know him or his motivations, but you know he can easily poach all your recruits, fully equip all his players, and he has an advantage over you. You look at his history and see he played in a Pro league last season. Does this inspire you to continue playing, or does it make you say "this is dumb, I quit?" According to many people in our survey, it makes them not want to try at all.

Think about it. It's not just stadium sections. It's free cash. You don't have to pay for those sections again. That's an extra $20-30M you get free and clear over the other guy.

If the premise of your argument is simply "but it removes MY advantage specifically, but makes the playing field more level for everyone else" then you're actually arguing FOR the change. You want to start over? You start over.

Originally posted by Bukowski
Originally posted by SCACE

Originally posted by Catch22


And you don't see how having a full stadium is an inherent and huge advantage over other teams that are starting from scratch?

And you don't see how teams that already demoted and have a full stadium AND their cash is a huge advantage over other teams that are starting from scratch?

But it wasn't a rule back then.

You can't retroactively punish teams for something that wasn't even against the rules.

The farm team exploit was one thing, because that was actually against the rules, and even then they said that they're only going to use the most severe examples. This never was against the rules, so it would be pretty messed up to punish teams over something that wasn't wrong at the time.

I see this rule kind of like saying the cowboys will need to tear apart there new billion dollar stadium next season and give up cash if they dont do well and a team cant try and attract more revenue just becuase they stinck(EX:Browns,Rams,Lions) i think the stadiums shouldnt be affected because it is just silly instead make the money less of a factor since that is going to be done anyway

I would wager that you do, and you are being intentionally obtuse.

But I'm an optimist like that.

Originally posted by Bukowski
Originally posted by Dub J

Originally posted by bhall43


i think the point is that...whether they did it before this...they cant anymore...so even if they are ahead of the curve in that area now...it will even out at some point to where it doesnt matter anymore....because they cant ever do it again.

That's it in a nutshell.

Yeah, exactly.

BUT SOMETHING IS ADVERSELY EFFECTING ME AND I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN

Just set a cap on money and you've solved the problem. Stadiums should be grandfathered in. There's really not much of an advantage if you don't allow money hoarding.

Originally posted by Shayde
Just set a cap on money and you've solved the problem. Stadiums should be grandfathered in. There's really not much of an advantage if you don't allow money hoarding.

Then you're doing it wrong.

Originally posted by Bort
If you want to drop down and start over, competing with teams who have not had the same amount of time as you to gain that advantage, then yes.

Think about the perspective of a younger owner for a minute. You just finished 2 corners on your stadium, and have a nice bankroll of $8M in lv 22. You're feeling like you did pretty well, you're geared up to pay for your players and probably bring in some new recruits with some good signing bonuses. Then you look at the other teams in your league. One of them has $180M and a full stadium. You don't know him or his motivations, but you know he can easily poach all your recruits, fully equip all his players, and he has an advantage over you. You look at his history and see he played in a Pro league last season. Does this inspire you to continue playing, or does it make you say "this is dumb, I quit?" According to many people in our survey, it makes them not want to try at all.

Think about it. It's not just stadium sections. It's free cash. You don't have to pay for those sections again. That's an extra $20-30M you get free and clear over the other guy.

If the premise of your argument is simply "but it removes MY advantage specifically, but makes the playing field more level for everyone else" then you're actually arguing FOR the change. You want to start over? You start over.

oh jesus christ I need to go smoke one before I begin to digest this

Originally posted by Bort
Originally posted by Shayde

Honestly.. I'll take all my cash and throw it out the window, but the STADIUM??!?!?!!?

I worked long and hard building it, sacrificed my own players to help build sections, and now I have to tear it all down?

Reprehensible.

If you want to drop down and start over, competing with teams who have not had the same amount of time as you to gain that advantage, then yes.

Think about the perspective of a younger owner for a minute. You just finished 2 corners on your stadium, and have a nice bankroll of $8M in lv 22. You're feeling like you did pretty well, you're geared up to pay for your players and probably bring in some new recruits with some good signing bonuses. Then you look at the other teams in your league. One of them has $180M and a full stadium. You don't know him or his motivations, but you know he can easily poach all your recruits, fully equip all his players, and he has an advantage over you. You look at his history and see he played in a Pro league last season. Does this inspire you to continue playing, or does it make you say "this is dumb, I quit?" According to many people in our survey, it makes them not want to try at all.

Think about it. It's not just stadium sections. It's free cash. You don't have to pay for those sections again. That's an extra $20-30M you get free and clear over the other guy.

If the premise of your argument is simply "but it removes MY advantage specifically, but makes the playing field more level for everyone else" then you're actually arguing FOR the change. You want to start over? You start over.

Dont get me wrong i love the idea of this change but i hate the fact that this will actually help the guys who already got away with it setting them even further ahead

Originally posted by Bort
You don't know him or his motivations, but you know he can easily poach all your recruits, fully equip all his players, and he has an advantage over you.

Has happened to me before as an owner and a recruiter.