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Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Azure Dreams

Originally posted by Catullus 16

Originally posted by Azure Dreams

Originally posted by Catullus 16

i'm obviously not in the CPL as much as you guys, so i have a lot less first-hand experience. all i'm saying is that from my perspective, i honestly don't think those mods are on a witch-hunt...
They aren't always. Last night they were.
okay, let's say they were. so now the next question is: why?
are they just overly-emotional and irrational people? or are they people who happen to disagree and have enough ounces of authority to impose their will?
i'm still trying to drive at motivations here... and if you're pointing to the fact that the sides are intractable, then i completely agree.
because they're terrible mods who can't stand people who don't submit to them in every way. They're power-hungry and unprofessional.
You'd have a point if we had mods that were established as good or even decent but these are fucking terrible mods so their horrible behavior is in no way surprising. It wasn't BigT invading our forum, it was voltron. the feudel of mods.

so... mods that agree with you = awesome and mods that disagree with you = terrible, power-hungry, and unprofessional?

this isn't a convincing argument, even if you are right.

I cite such people as Jed and BigT to invalidate your claim. Jed does a lot of disagreeing with me and supporting the administration and other mods when I think he's wrong (and have a suspicion he sometimes knows they're wrong), but he isn't a terrible mod usually.

Hell, voltron, darkus, and NMV have all agreed with me on various occasions, but they were still terrible mods. Bones doesn't generally agree with me and I don't dislike the fellow, but he's a terrible mod. I have never had a run-in with a number of other people, but they're still terrible mods.

I argue with VT all the fucking time, on the other hand, and he's still a pretty good mod. BigT isn't here supporting me and I've been maintaining that he's the best mod (though less active) since we lost Ash.

Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Azure Dreams
already delt with them. presumably you'll get to that soon.
feeling a little inadequate over here.
I was referencing the fact taht I already mentioned both of those examples. you can't see roctronic's, though (though it was copy pasta'd, but you seemed to miss that) and disagreed about FLGator's cuz you like the guy or something.
As for the PM i mentioned with NMV where he admits that he was not modding based on rules, I'll repost it.

i knew about roctronic's... i already mentioned that he had edited out his post.

and i only know FLgator from reputation, really.

forward that PM to pallow?!?

Originally posted by Azure Dreams
I'll agree with you on that point, but I'll use the generic 'discretion' as my defense.

When you have this many mods, maintaining consistency can be difficult and Pallow is working on some project to help stabilize that.

---------- Original message ----------
From: Azure Dreams
Date: Jun 13, 2009 02:00:54
Subject: Re: Just so you know
To: Norsemanvike

Don't get me wrong, I don't think that was a good thread or anything, I'm just saying the rule you cited is nonexistent.

---------- Original message ----------
From: Norsemanvike
Date: Jun 13, 2009 01:59:43
Subject: Re: Just so you know
To: Azure Dreams

Depends on your point of view, but still, if you're going to complain, at least put some effort into making it constructive. We're more willing to work with someone taking that attitude instead of just dealing with mod hate.

---------- Original message ----------
From: Azure Dreams
Date: Jun 13, 2009 01:56:11
Subject: Just so you know
To: Norsemanvike

Mod bashing isn't against the rules.

um... mod bashing is pretty much against the rules.

although i'm guessing you didn't get the big pallow letter. did untouchable?

Pallow is gone for the next 10 days or so.

Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Azure Dreams

I'll agree with you on that point, but I'll use the generic 'discretion' as my defense.

When you have this many mods, maintaining consistency can be difficult and Pallow is working on some project to help stabilize that.

---------- Original message ----------
From: Azure Dreams
Date: Jun 13, 2009 02:00:54
Subject: Re: Just so you know
To: Norsemanvike

Don't get me wrong, I don't think that was a good thread or anything, I'm just saying the rule you cited is nonexistent.

---------- Original message ----------
From: Norsemanvike
Date: Jun 13, 2009 01:59:43
Subject: Re: Just so you know
To: Azure Dreams

Depends on your point of view, but still, if you're going to complain, at least put some effort into making it constructive. We're more willing to work with someone taking that attitude instead of just dealing with mod hate.

---------- Original message ----------
From: Azure Dreams
Date: Jun 13, 2009 01:56:11
Subject: Just so you know
To: Norsemanvike

Mod bashing isn't against the rules.

um... mod bashing is pretty much against the rules.

although i'm guessing you didn't get the big pallow letter. did untouchable?

Which big pallow letter? untouchable, gart, and I all got various things from pallow and max.


And no, disagreeing with mods is completely 100% not against the rules. This was not an example of harassing a user, and that is the only time you can justify banning for mod bashing.

Originally posted by r87
Pallow is gone for the next 10 days or so.

Zorin is more active anyway.

Originally posted by Deathblade
Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by r87
Catullus; you can't honestly believe that FLGator's thread was in any way innocent. It was a slap in the face to CPL, and to the mods who work the corner there. It's sole intent was to cause discord in CPL (and through this, get ppl banned and achieve his goal), as I cannot believe FLGator is so retarded as to do something like that without a purpose. He knew this, and quoted the rules. When the inevitable shit-storm followed, non-CPL mods were contacted (most likely on purpose).
well, despite the fact that i apparently don't have the full story, i still have a different interpretation of that thread.
at a minimum, he went out of his way to make things textually fair, even if everyone already knew the context. pigeon-holing people into how they were when you first met them probably isn't fair either.
further, even if we dismiss FLgator the person, there's still something to his argument... and we shouldn't pretend that others won't just troop along and repeat that process in the future.
He continues to point out every little insult, while he himself insults the person, and the forum.

okay.

although that's probably more the effect than the cause, and i'm guessing he has an entirely different narrative.

the problem with the asymmetry i keep yammering about is that things seem to go from iffy to WTF in a matter of seconds in the CPL. because of this, the timeline and the origins of the conflict get a little clouded... and it makes it easy to just draw a false caricature of the "victim" as some sort of irrational asshole that now deserves their maltreatment.

it's too bad we can't intercept that process just a little bit... if only to avoid situations like this one and to prevent any sort of crackdown.

Originally posted by Deathblade
9 times out of 10, it will be filled with not caring for 2-3 pages, then the subject will change to TF2, or French Toast.

And this by the way, is what pisses people off. They tend to hate that nobody gives a damn about their team. Again, I use Yetis as an example...they hated the forum because the only thing they could do was talk about how great their dots were, and honestly, nobody in CPL gives a damn how good their dots are.

That's a HUGE part of the problem that a lot of people have with CPL.

So then occasionally, one of the new teams decides to put their foot down, and try to change stuff. Generally attacking and trolling CPL by quoting rules, and calling them childish. Then when CPL retaliates, they call in support, or some of the mods that are also pissy that CPL doesn't care.

Originally posted by Iceman16
Originally posted by r87

Pallow is gone for the next 10 days or so.

Zorin is more active anyway.

Pallow is the forum moderator though

Originally posted by Catullus 16
it's too bad we can't intercept that process just a little bit... if only to avoid situations like this one and to prevent any sort of crackdown.

You won't keep the "righteous" people out of CPL, or the "sinners" out of the GG forum.

Originally posted by r87
No Deathblade. You see, he is 'stating facts in a respectful manner' (obv paraphrased), so that makes it ok.

well, for someone like me that doesn't know the context, i completely miss the implications.

but on the other hand, it's probably a better policy to let people reverse their errors, right? i'd say you'd be better served by letting people climb out of their hole a little bit rather than continually treat them as they first appeared.

Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Originally posted by Catullus 16
*sigh*... awesome. never mind then.
although i'm curious how he got to that point, considering he obviously didn't conjure all that up out of a vacuum.
This is indeed what I was referring to. When you come in with that attitude, you're gonna get F'd in the A and that's okay imo.
Also, when you get a chance (read; never) plz refer to my other thread in this forum.

well, then don't wear a C... and J all over your Bs.

okay.

Originally posted by Catullus 16
but on the other hand, it's probably a better policy to let people reverse their errors, right? i'd say you'd be better served by letting people climb out of their hole a little bit rather than continually treat them as they first appeared.

That isn't the case, honestly.

You "dig" yourself out of the hole by pulling the stick out of your ass.

CPL doesn't discriminate because of first impressions...they do so by repeatedly posting like a douche, or just being terrible.

I would like to cite the CPL mod nominations thread and the CPL rules thread as great examples of the collective apathy towards srs business

Originally posted by Iceman16
GLB forums are pretty much the first ones I've ever posted in, and I haven't fallen into any tarps since I started posting in CPL (cept when I advertised for coordinating before S6, oh gawd). It's pretty easy to not look like a fucking idiot.

am i lacking testosterone or something?

i feel sorry for people like boltz. i may do things like make the BoltzStalker™, but i'd rather help him out if he's just freaking listen for once.