Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader
Originally posted by jamz



Ellard was a bad ass though.


He was WAAAAAY underrated.

Ellard was a badass and he was a very good WR coach. I can't believe we let him walk. Still, Cromwell should go a good job with our current core.

Originally posted by jrry32
Can't tell if serious.

Dead serious. Rams have had top 5 QB in the league for many seasons.

Flipper Anderson imo.

Originally posted by StoutOne DTD
Originally posted by jrry32

Can't tell if serious.

Dead serious. Rams have had top 5 QB in the league for many seasons.

Well you said the Rams are horrible at choosing them.

The funny thing is that the Rams hadn't selected a QB in the First round before Bradford since Bill Munson in 1964, I believe. But yea, those guys were all Martz QBs, he was amazing at finding and developing young QBs. Still, I have faith in our FO. I have loved Bradford as a prospect for awhile and I was glad he didn't come out in 2009. I think he's going to be a Pro Bowl QB.

Originally posted by StoutOne DTD
Flipper Anderson imo.

Great receiver--for awhile.

Clash vs Rosarica in finals. discuss

Originally posted by tbsteel
I've probably watched a good 8-9 games Sam Bradford has played in, highlights of several more.

Pre-snap recognition? You mean like Bradford faking a hike to see how the defense reacts, then looking back towards the sidelines so his coaching staff can tell him whether to change the play or not and what kind of coverage he is facing? Yeah, that happens a lot in the NFL.

You do understand that's the system Oklahoma runs, right? Bradford has NO experience of how to read a defense before the snap, because his coaching staff at Oklahoma did that for him. His footwork under center is still unproven considering a vast majority of his passes come out of shotgun. He has an average arm. I hate his pocket presence and his accuracy falls apart when pressured or on the run. The OU system is built on receivers finding openings in zones and areas of the field and doesn't ask their QB to anticipate guys breaking open.

You are DEAD wrong about this. Like Bradford as a prospect or not, but arguing he's the most pro ready prospect in the last DECADE (which is what you have done here) is flat out wrong. If anyone needs to leave this thread, it's you.

TBsteel gets it and has watched bradford games. I was trying to tell jrry the exact same thing but he obviously does not know much about football.

LEG SWEPT, plus mother fucking one.

And jrry, Matt Ryan was the best "pro ready" prospect since Peyton Manning. Maybe you don't understand the term "Pro Ready".

Originally posted by SLZmonster
Originally posted by ijg

Originally posted by StoutOne DTD


As a football fan, I was very disappointed in my choice to be a Rams fan, but whatev.

FYP

he's gotta be better then jamarcus russell....

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I think it's fair to suggest that Clausen is a more "pro-ready prospect" than Bradford, but Bradford is clearly a better "pro prospect." Some people who aren't very familiar with college football or evaluating prospects are obviously hung up on the fact that OU runs a spread offense, but that's not terribly important. There are plenty of guys who come out of college from a traditional-I who nonetheless are far from "pro-ready" because that has a lot less to do with the style of offense than it does the responsibilities given to the particular quarterback and the skills that player possesses.

For instance, someone like ITS wouldn't know enough to tell the difference between OU's structure with Bradford behind center and Landry Jones. He probably thought they looked the same, but Bradford had the freedom to choose from his options based on what he saw from the defense, whereas you could see Jones always going mechanically through his scripted progressions. Landry was supposed to look at the X, then the slot, then check down, etc. You could see that simply by watching the quarterback and being observant. When this play was called against that defense, Jones went to the same receiver first. That's where jrry is correct about Bradford being "pro-ready." Sam had experience picking his own options instead of simply following a script.

And yes, OU did call adjustments from the sideline based on what the defense showed, but that's not terribly important either since hardly any college quarterback has the freedom to audible, meaning few if any would have any experience with that. Dropping back from center is also a legitimate adjustment and makes it harder to read the defense than when you're already standing back there, but aside from learning the footwork that's not a huge deal either. Basically, anyone who insists that playing in a spread means that a quarterback can't possibly be "pro-ready" is simply making a fool of themselves. It's not about the scheme as much as it is the responsibilities and how well the player can execute them. Bradford is a smart guy who quickly assesses coverage and makes good decisions with the football, then shows tremendous touch and accuracy on his passes. That's a guy who has every tool you would want from a professional quarterback.



Edit:
Also, please stop gushing about Matt Ryan. The vast majority of people who do that are just people who will regurgitate any media hype that they hear. Ryan was praised to high heaven by the talking heads on television, but the reality is that he did not look anything like a future Peyton Manning. He's very solid and very sound, but not in the same class as a play-maker. One thing Ryan had going for him coming out of BC is that he was very good about checking down and spreading the ball around instead of being locked onto his primary receiver, but he was not more "pro-ready" than Bradford or Clausen.

Jd, I don't agree with your opinion, nor would the majority of experts on the subject.

Originally posted by ImTheScientist
And jrry, Matt Ryan was the best "pro ready" prospect since Peyton Manning. Maybe you don't understand the term "Pro Ready".


He wasn't but this just tells me you aren't very familiar with the terminology or evaluating prospects. Your entire case is based on what he did his first season, not on how he was evaluated which are two very different things. That's it. We have our bet and I will not continue with this in the WL forum.

Originally posted by jrry32

He wasn't but this just tells me you aren't very familiar with the terminology or evaluating prospects. Your entire case is based on what he did his first season, not on how he was evaluated which are two very different things. That's it. We have our bet and I will not continue with this in the WL forum.

Actually, you are showing me you don't know much about the industry you want to work in.

More homework school boy.

ETA: Since you don't think I know anything please enlighten me with your definition of "Pro Ready"

Now that I know your age this is going to get fun. Based off your educational background its safe to say Im more intelligent, and since you are in school currently I also know Im older. Can't wait to mess further with you now.

Jrry, what does "Pro Ready" mean and why is Bradford the most Pro Ready prospect since Manning?

Originally posted by ImTheScientist
Jrry, what does "Pro Ready" mean and why is Bradford the most Pro Ready prospect since Manning?

Originally posted by jrry32
Originally posted by ImTheScientist

And jrry, Matt Ryan was the best "pro ready" prospect since Peyton Manning. Maybe you don't understand the term "Pro Ready".


He wasn't but this just tells me you aren't very familiar with the terminology or evaluating prospects. Your entire case is based on what he did his first season, not on how he was evaluated which are two very different things. That's it. We have our bet and I will not continue with this in the WL forum.

Read bold. I would say take it to PMs but...