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Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Azure Dreams

You're just plain incorrect about roctronic, tbh.

fine, yes, i get it.

but that's also irrelevant, of course. the goal here should be figuring out if there's a structural way to get rid of people like roctronic... or to at least contain/deflect them so that you don't constantly end up having random mods blundering through banning people.

well, when I said that you weren't caught up enough. So... hurry up

Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Those arent' examples of what you described. Please go look at FLGators threads. He incited flames by being condescending and elitist in the first place. Claiming the moral highground and damning us sinners and our ways to hell. That isn't just coming in saying "hey what's up".... If he didn't mean it, it would be textbook brilliant trolling.
links?
actually never mind. probably a bad example then... although the timeline effect here is interesting, considering any other random user visiting the CPL for the first time mid-process might come to a similar flawed understanding.
and besides, this still doesn't speak to the task of preventing this sort of thing.
preventing something that isn't happening? Not a high priority for me, tbh.

wrong "something". i'm talking about the topic of this thread at large.

and even if i wasn't, i stand as proof that it does happen, right?

Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Azure Dreams

Originally posted by Catullus 16

Originally posted by Azure Dreams

Those arent' examples of what you described. Please go look at FLGators threads. He incited flames by being condescending and elitist in the first place. Claiming the moral highground and damning us sinners and our ways to hell. That isn't just coming in saying "hey what's up".... If he didn't mean it, it would be textbook brilliant trolling.
links?
actually never mind. probably a bad example then... although the timeline effect here is interesting, considering any other random user visiting the CPL for the first time mid-process might come to a similar flawed understanding.
and besides, this still doesn't speak to the task of preventing this sort of thing.
preventing something that isn't happening? Not a high priority for me, tbh.

wrong "something". i'm talking about the topic of this thread at large.

and even if i wasn't, i stand as proof that it does happen, right?

uh.. wait, what? proof that what happens, sir?

...alternative solutiosn?

Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by r87
Catullus; you can't honestly believe that FLGator's thread was in any way innocent. It was a slap in the face to CPL, and to the mods who work the corner there. It's sole intent was to cause discord in CPL (and through this, get ppl banned and achieve his goal), as I cannot believe FLGator is so retarded as to do something like that without a purpose. He knew this, and quoted the rules. When the inevitable shit-storm followed, non-CPL mods were contacted (most likely on purpose).
well, despite the fact that i apparently don't have the full story, i still have a different interpretation of that thread.
at a minimum, he went out of his way to make things textually fair, even if everyone already knew the context. pigeon-holing people into how they were when you first met them probably isn't fair either.
further, even if we dismiss FLgator the person, there's still something to his argument... and we shouldn't pretend that others won't just troop along and repeat that process in the future.
But we aren't dismissing his argument, we're addressing the issues of whether a doe-eyed innocent was lambasted without provocation.

check your PMs in a bit.

Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Azure Dreams

Originally posted by Catullus 16

Originally posted by r87

Catullus; you can't honestly believe that FLGator's thread was in any way innocent. It was a slap in the face to CPL, and to the mods who work the corner there. It's sole intent was to cause discord in CPL (and through this, get ppl banned and achieve his goal), as I cannot believe FLGator is so retarded as to do something like that without a purpose. He knew this, and quoted the rules. When the inevitable shit-storm followed, non-CPL mods were contacted (most likely on purpose).
well, despite the fact that i apparently don't have the full story, i still have a different interpretation of that thread.
at a minimum, he went out of his way to make things textually fair, even if everyone already knew the context. pigeon-holing people into how they were when you first met them probably isn't fair either.
further, even if we dismiss FLgator the person, there's still something to his argument... and we shouldn't pretend that others won't just troop along and repeat that process in the future.
But we aren't dismissing his argument, we're addressing the issues of whether a doe-eyed innocent was lambasted without provocation.

check your PMs in a bit.

came

Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Originally posted by Catullus 16
take a look at even recent episodes like with FLgators (or whatever) or roctronic (or whatever). i don't know all the details, but do you honestly think that NVM and drksandman showed up because they had nothing better to do?
and they showed up because they head up the anti-CPL camp. they sit around with their swastikas waiting for anything they can try to justify as a green-light to invade with impunity and then claim they were just doing their jobs or shove the useless support form in our faces with questions.
ah... the "little eichmann" argument. nice.
still not completely buying it, though.
Makes it no less true.

doesn't prove it right, either.

and the burden remains with you.

Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Thouug that's hardly in any way an eichmann-related argument. If you'll notice I said they HEAD UP the cpl camp. little hitler argument, if anything. Only way that in any way relates to eichmann's situation is that he was a nazi and i mentioend swastikas.
0/10 analogy.

that's not what the "little eichmann" argument is, of course.

although the "eichmann defense" is actually a little more applicable.

little eichmann argument =/= eichmann defense =/= eichmann

Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Azure Dreams

Thouug that's hardly in any way an eichmann-related argument. If you'll notice I said they HEAD UP the cpl camp. little hitler argument, if anything. Only way that in any way relates to eichmann's situation is that he was a nazi and i mentioend swastikas.
0/10 analogy.

that's not what the "little eichmann" argument is, of course.

although the "eichmann defense" is actually a little more applicable.

little eichmann argument =/= eichmann defense =/= eichmann

well then I don't know what it means

Which also relates to the post prior to this one about the burden being mine.

Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Azure Dreams
but when is this blitzkrieg unleashed upons omeone who was not acting in an inflammatory manner? At least in the last 4 months.
you guys seriously underestimate yourselves.
example plz

well, but you never recognize it. you would have to be willing to listen to the perceptions of people that you already disagree with.

or i could list examples that are so bound-up politically that you'd never see the tree for the forest (no typo) and the point would be lost -- like..... onepeat?

the next time you see someone getting bent of shape in the CPL, you should ask yourself -- is this person just naturally a powder-keg ready to blow? or am i just that good at upsetting people (regardless of whether or not they deserve it)?

Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Chessey
I think of it as me walking into your neighborhood and saying all your houses look like shit and you're living a joke. Everyone come to my private development.
Now ho do the native to the neighborhood react? I for one would be a little resentful.
Then to run of to the mayor and say those troglodytes of the neighborhood called me mean things and should be punished!
Is that right? Hell no. Play nicely or expect someone to shit on your table.
neighborhood = CPL
Private Development = Roctronic's PF
mayor = Pallow or outside mods
Shit on your table = Old post in mod forum by asheme
oof. not so sure i buy that analogy.

how about -- i buy a house in a neighborhood and paint it green. suddenly, i've got people in my face, calling my names, harassing me constantly about the color of my house. i try to call the cops to protect myself, but they just join in the abuse. when i finally get upset in return, they haul me off to jail. eventually i just hide behind my curtains and keep to myself, afraid to even walk around the neighborhood for fear that i'm going to get attacked again.

i'm not saying my analogy is any better, but i think it's an accurate interpretation of what the GG crowd feels.

further, i'm not trying to promote a contest between analogies or narratives... my point remains that the positions are intractable, and thus should be structurally separated.
But that feeling can't be backed up with any evidence, as far as I'm aware. If I feel that bort raped my mother that doesn't mean he should be put in jail just because I feel that way.

bolded.

and your complaint works against chessey's analogy as well, you realize.

Except it doesn't... Need I refer to roctronic again?

Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Originally posted by Catullus 16
i'm obviously not in the CPL as much as you guys, so i have a lot less first-hand experience. all i'm saying is that from my perspective, i honestly don't think those mods are on a witch-hunt...
They aren't always. Last night they were.
okay, let's say they were. so now the next question is: why?
are they just overly-emotional and irrational people? or are they people who happen to disagree and have enough ounces of authority to impose their will?
i'm still trying to drive at motivations here... and if you're pointing to the fact that the sides are intractable, then i completely agree.
because they're terrible mods who can't stand people who don't submit to them in every way. They're power-hungry and unprofessional.
You'd have a point if we had mods that were established as good or even decent but these are fucking terrible mods so their horrible behavior is in no way surprising. It wasn't BigT invading our forum, it was voltron. the feudel of mods.

so... mods that agree with you = awesome and mods that disagree with you = terrible, power-hungry, and unprofessional?

this isn't a convincing argument, even if you are right.

Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Azure Dreams

Originally posted by Catullus 16

Originally posted by Azure Dreams

but when is this blitzkrieg unleashed upons omeone who was not acting in an inflammatory manner? At least in the last 4 months.
you guys seriously underestimate yourselves.
example plz

well, but you never recognize it. you would have to be willing to listen to the perceptions of people that you already disagree with.

or i could list examples that are so bound-up politically that you'd never see the tree for the forest (no typo) and the point would be lost -- like..... onepeat?

the next time you see someone getting bent of shape in the CPL, you should ask yourself -- is this person just naturally a powder-keg ready to blow? or am i just that good at upsetting people (regardless of whether or not they deserve it)?

Just because I argue against something doesn't mean I don't see the point. I understood and conceded a lot from our myriad arguments regarding onepeat.

And, I like to think I'm very willing to listen to the perceptions of people I disagree with. If I weren't, I'd have invited a considerably different crowd to this forum than I did. And it wouldn't include you, becuase... well, you're doing waht I hoped you would (though to an even more thorough degree, mr. lurker)

btw, you said to check my PMs. Max just PM'd me (said GG everyone, he'll post later), is that what you meant or are you still gonna send me some naked pics?

Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by r87
If I walk into a bar I've never been in before, I do not stand on a table and announce, "I am going to drink all of you fucks under the table. SUCK MY UNIT."
ha, again with the analogies.
but what if you walked into a bar and some existing patron did that to you?
then he and his friends would laugh, you'd be uncomfortable and then either make friends with them or leave. Doesn't mean the bartender should kick all the regulars out so you don't feel weird. If you feel weird at a bar, don't go to that bar, tbh.
Beyond which, plz provide examples of that. because what I'm saying is that new people are by and large ignored until they do that.

as an ex-bartender, i would get in even a regular's face for accosting some new customer. in fact, i've done so on several occasions.

and check your PMs in a bit.

Cat...

Here's a pretty good analogy. You move into a neighborhood, go around and shit on everyone's table...then get pissy when your table is covered in shit the next day.

Please find somewhere where this isn't the case of what is happening. Sure, new "innocent" people might get an insult or two in a 5 page thread, but 9 times out of 10, it will be filled with not caring for 2-3 pages, then the subject will change to TF2, or French Toast.