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Originally posted by LeeRJet
some of them are...ever see Rollerball or The Longest Yard?
how about Semi-Tough, Heaven Can Wait, North Dallas Forty, Varsity Blues, Jerry Maguire, The Bad News Bears, Rocky 1-6


no, those are movies about sports and fake sports.
 
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doesn't really matter...people still watched and enjoyed them even though the outcomes were scripted.
some of them even won Oscars.
 
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Originally posted by glbisthewaytobe
no, those are movies about sports and fake sports.


Pro-Wrestling is a live-action, sports-based soap opera.
 
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Originally posted by LeeRJet
doesn't really matter...people still watched and enjoyed them even though the outcomes were scripted.
some of them even won Oscars.


no there is a distinction. one doesn't advertise itself as a sport, and never has. it wasn't until 1981 that the cat was out of the bag publicly. so for 29 years it was billed as professional wrestling. when it isn't wrestling. it doesn't even closely resemble wrestling.
 
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Originally posted by glbisthewaytobe
no there is a distinction. one doesn't advertise itself as a sport, and never has. it wasn't until 1981 that the cat was out of the bag publicly. so for 29 years it was billed as professional wrestling. when it isn't wrestling. it doesn't even closely resemble wrestling.


Do you know how it started out?

It used to be real, shoot wrestling. Punches and kicks weren't really allowed (like modern MMA), so it was really boring. Matches would last for almost an hour a piece. Then, in travelling carnivals, they started to promote these characters who had unusual gimmicks/strengths, etc. They would put characters against each other in a choreographed, fake wrestling match. This ended up being really popular with the crowd. It soon became to take a life of it's own when they started using body builders as characters. The next thing you know, professional wrestling, as we know it, came to be.

In modern day, pro wrestling isn't viewed as a sport by any fan over about 13 years old. It's essentially like watching an action movie - except, it's live and it's a continuous series. Even to pro wrestling 'smarts', the show can still be addicting. This is why you see some of the stuff you do nowadays with the crowds hijacking the shows. It's what you see with guys like Daniel Bryan. The audience, for some reason, really liked this mid-carder that the writers thought was overwhelmingly mediocre. It was the crowd that pushed for Bryan's stardom. The writers let the audience have their wish, but then quickly tried to gain control again by making Daniel Bryan lose and returned him back to mid-card status. The fans were not ready to give up so easily, though. They kept going crazy for Bryan and practically forced the writers hands into adding him into one of the biggest WrestleMania matches and, possibly, a shot at the world title in the same night.

So, what I'm trying to say is, even to the people who know everything about the business (and how fake it is), the show is still entertaining. It's this crazy dynamic where the audience realizes how much power they have in the show and tries to get the writers to do what they want them to do. The writers do, for the most part, but still come up with storylines that spite the audience. It's this kind of up and down which is thrilling for the smarts.

I'll be 29 in July. I started watching wrestling really early on, earlier than I can remember. I was probably around 11 or so when I knew it was fake. Although, at that point, I didn't care at all. It's almost like I knew deep down, but I was able to suspend disbelief. At around 13 was when I really knew it and faced the facts. So, what did I do? I started my own backyard wrestling fed. We put on shows for over 100 people. I did that until I was about 16. All the while, I was still watching the product on television. I was growing less interested in it because I was getting more into MMA and the fakeness + bad writing was getting to me. I would still tune in to get ideas for writing for our fed... and just to see what the hell was going on. By about 18, I had stopped watching it completely.

For years, it was all about college, chicks, drugs, booze, playing in bands etc. I'd maybe watch 1 show a year - just because I had been a big fan when I was younger and was interested to see what was going on. In 2006, there was a WWE house show (that I referenced earlier) and my friends all decided to get wasted and go to the show. We sat front row and raised hell all show. (Not bad drunks fucking with people/causing problems.) We got really 'overzealous' on purpose over the show, helped add to it/the atmostphere, started all the chants, and trolled the wrestlers. We sold the bad guys and got them over as the fuck. We brought the shyness out of young kids who may have been too scared to cheer/yell at the wrestlers. It was amazing to see these kids to get into the show... I used to be one of those kids. It was people like us who had did the same thing years ago, when I was young. To me, it was kind of like a passing of torch.

Since then, I've attended a few house shows here and there. I may watch one or two shows on television a year, but the younger ones in my family watch it, so I'll occasionally catch pieces. I've also bought the WWE video games (not every year) over the past few years. They fun to play and create characters. So, that kind of keeps me into it.


Overall, that's what pro wrestling means to me. Maybe that will give you a better clue as to why people enjoy it.
 
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I do go on YouTube and watch old wrestling matches from when I was younger from time-to-time. However, what I absolutely love to do is listen to interviews with retired wrestlers about all the backstage shit that went down years ago (when I was a kid watching). Real, backstage fights, drinking, drugs, partying, relationships, etc.

In fact, that's probably the best way to describe my current relationship with pro wrestling. I watch more of these types of videos than anything else. Plus videos like Botchamania, which is a YouTube show that keeps footage of every time wrestlers screw up and botch moves/parts of the show. It's entertaining to me. Here's an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LtlyAR0mSE

Edit: a better video



Edited by johny_jordan on Mar 29, 2014 06:28:52
 
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Originally posted by Ahrens858
Order probably takes 2 weeks to get in. Maybe even longer with the custom measurements.

I am not about to only have 2 weeks to break in new boots and then be hiking miles and miles in almost brand new boots.


ah, didn't realize the job was, what, trail work? or something of the like.
yup, I'd want some time to break em in, too.
 
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Acquaintance of mine has been out of basic for less than a week, not even long enough to be in tech school yet and he's already plastering his FB with shit about ultimate sacrifice, duty, and 'just because I wear the mask of a soldier does not mean I like it' blah blah blah like wtf dude sounds like he just got back from Iraq after losing half his unit.

To anyone who does/has served- would you consider that offensive in anyway? Cuz it's annoying the shit out of me.
 
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Originally posted by rams78110
Acquaintance of mine has been out of basic for less than a week, not even long enough to be in tech school yet and he's already plastering his FB with shit about ultimate sacrifice, duty, and 'just because I wear the mask of a soldier does not mean I like it' blah blah blah like wtf dude sounds like he just got back from Iraq after losing half his unit.

To anyone who does/has served- would you consider that offensive in anyway? Cuz it's annoying the shit out of me.


he was there man, he was up to his chest in rice patties looking for charlie. he doesnt need some pansy like you telling him he doesnt know whats he is talking about
 
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takes me back to my days in nam
 
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I hate that shit though. Dont get me wrong I have respect for people who were actually in life threatening situations, front line guys.

But dont come out of the army acting like chest pumped douche when you sat at a desk or sat at a base in the states for your service.

The two are not the same.
 
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Originally posted by Ahrens858
I hate that shit though. Dont get me wrong I have respect for people who were actually in life threatening situations, front line guys.

But dont come out of the army acting like chest pumped douche when you sat at a desk or sat at a base in the states for your service.

The two are not the same.


I think the fact that they signed up with the possibility of ending up on the front line has to count for something.
 
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Originally posted by johny_jordan
I do go on YouTube and watch old wrestling matches from when I was younger from time-to-time. However, what I absolutely love to do is listen to interviews with retired wrestlers about all the backstage shit that went down years ago (when I was a kid watching). Real, backstage fights, drinking, drugs, partying, relationships, etc.

In fact, that's probably the best way to describe my current relationship with pro wrestling. I watch more of these types of videos than anything else. Plus videos like Botchamania, which is a YouTube show that keeps footage of every time wrestlers screw up and botch moves/parts of the show. It's entertaining to me. Here's an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LtlyAR0mSE

Edit: a better video





I also watch Botchamanias on youtube. They are great. I also enjoy watching the old regional promotions.
 
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Originally posted by rams78110
Acquaintance of mine has been out of basic for less than a week, not even long enough to be in tech school yet and he's already plastering his FB with shit about ultimate sacrifice, duty, and 'just because I wear the mask of a soldier does not mean I like it' blah blah blah like wtf dude sounds like he just got back from Iraq after losing half his unit.

To anyone who does/has served- would you consider that offensive in anyway? Cuz it's annoying the shit out of me.


Have never served, but I don't have any issue with people being enthusiastic about new careers or endeavors. I am sure you will swell with pride when you go to med school and this may be the equivalent for him. For someone else, it may be running marathons.

Anytime someone is making something of themselves, I give them a lot of latitude. I much prefer that than constant talk from some folks about their next round of substance abuse. That is pretty boorish, to me.
 
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Originally posted by foofighter24
I think the fact that they signed up with the possibility of ending up on the front line has to count for something.


When you look at the percentage of how many people end up in those situations, im gonna chalk this up to no.

Im probably sounding like an asshole right about now.
 
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