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Originally posted by Sov.
yes plenty of NFL games with 130 pancakes on one side? and who said anything about balanced gameplans? were talking OL builds only and its a FACT that balanced OL builds took a hit with these changes. there is no disputing it, its math, spending SP into 4 skills instead of only 2 skills.

The post I replied to was literally about balanced offences being more difficult now...hence talk about balanced OL builds and how they factor into gameplans. Sure, a Pure Pass/Run OL build can leave out certain skills(which they've always been able to do), but any team using them will be one-dimensional, which has always been a huge hurdle to get around.

And I never said anything about 130 cakes. I think the changes could be tweeked a bit, but don't see balanced offense being nerfed at all.

Originally posted by Corndog
I'm not saying it's not a drastic change. If you want more examples look at rookie. I'm saying let's not act like every game is 130+ on both sides. Discussions go a lot better without exaggerations.

I know not every game is 130. Just saying it is a major change and one that I support for the future of the game. I am not a huge fan of where it leaves my squad that just entered the vet ranks fully boosted though. Do we have 5 seasons worth of trench abuse to look forward to? Previous major changes have been met with full respecs as I said before? Can we look forward to full respecs for OLines and DLines next offseason by chance? I am prepared to take this season on the chin as other teams will likely have similar issues but my concerns only rise with each passing season and the deeper adjustments that lower tiers are able to make.

Yeah full respecs are a must

you really think you need a full respec in order to revert 130 rev cakes to 50 or so?

Originally posted by bhall43
you really think you need a full respec in order to revert 130 rev cakes to 50 or so?

I think that I could at least limit the damage moving forward. While 100 RCakes might not be a big deal against a CPU squad that I roll over... 100 RCakes against a human roster would be devastating. Without being able to make deeper adjustments (cap boosters were purchased seasons ago), upper tier teams that are far off the mark due to the change will likely be faced with similar issues. At least with full OLine/DLine respecs, teams would be able to be in position to minimize the damage even though initial builds will likely hinder the ability to fully maximize the builds.

Originally posted by Detroit Leos
I think that I could at least limit the damage moving forward. While 100 RCakes might not be a big deal against a CPU squad that I roll over... 100 RCakes against a human roster would be devastating. Without being able to make deeper adjustments (cap boosters were purchased seasons ago), upper tier teams that are far off the mark due to the change will likely be faced with similar issues. At least with full OLine/DLine respecs, teams would be able to be in position to minimize the damage even though initial builds will likely hinder the ability to fully maximize the builds.

i guess i just dont see the impact being that crazy. there is just too much give and take here. you add intimidation/balance/power to your dline that is gonna take away from other skills. same as it will on the offensive line. so while a full respec is neat it is far from needed. the regular one season respec is more than enough to fix things. i get that you guys went more outside the box than normal but for the most part most should be fine unless i am highly underthinking the build development here.

Originally posted by Corndog
Well, your game today, one of your teams had 54 and the other 47.

Maybe not judge opinions on an outlier?

Originally posted by Sov.
fwiw our team has well more than 100 combined pass block power, run block power, and balance on our OL and we still gave up about 50+ rev cakes a game so far. however, it is balanced as we have also had about 50 pancakes a game. im sure with higher block power it would start to look a bit more realistic as far as the rev cakes/cakes totals. all in all, much better results than other teams ive seen so far so i cant complain.

maybe read posts vs skim? lol. but to your point, i am not basing it off our game at all. i am basing it off multiple other sims ive watched. our game today was one of the most balanced ive seen, as i stated in my previous post.

in regards to the full respec, i agree with bhall, i do not think its necessary. we just needed more time before the start of this season. nothing can be done now, just roll with it and we will all have to adjust in the next offseason. i think a normal respec should be enough to tweak builds to adjust to these changes.

Perhaps I am one of the few who tried to push builds instead of only building what was currently viewed as optimal. A full respec would do wonders for us but a regular respec would likely still go a long ways as balance is fairly cheap. Power and caps might pose other issues for us though... Hopefully so,etching comes down the pipe though. My biggest concern lies 2-3 seasons down the road as most that are out of position now with builds will remain fairly out of position.

I guess we will see if this massive spike in cakes will have a major impact on the vet landscape. After the first batch of games it seems like all the good teams are still good.

Many of us poured a lot of SP towards tech since it was more useful, so if this makes power on both sides more useful then it's a good change. I get how it's frustrating for those who just got to vet because they spent the past 5 seasons building to get here and it all changes overnight. But it does add a bit of excitement for me personally when it comes to resetting and finding the next builds that will work even better.

I'll reserve my judgement on this making a huge difference until I actually see game scores that are significantly altered. I mean who cares if your center gets caked 20 times if you are still putting up your regular amount of points right?

I have my eye on Popeye's Spinach. I'm curious how they do this season. I also wonder if this will cause more teams to create pure run or pure pass offenses. "Back in my day" pure run and pure pass were the bees knees. Now all the kids these days are building these balanced offenses that create a perfect blend of pass and run from every formation that no single defensive play can stop.

Balanced offense has dominated every tier for the last several seasons. AA is the outlier. Maybe it's good if we get a little more variety. I personally preferred DC'ing when there was a good mix of pure run, pure pass, heavy run, balanced, etc.

Originally posted by Detroit Leos
I saw that. Not even boosted up all the way. No idea what his build looks like or the defender builds that he was racking them up on though. Need more examples with opened builds to take guesses on what is and is not impacting these interactions.

i always use athletic offensive linemen with even power/tech

Originally posted by Rob.
I have my eye on Popeye's Spinach. I'm curious how they do this season. I also wonder if this will cause more teams to create pure run or pure pass offenses. "Back in my day" pure run and pure pass were the bees knees. Now all the kids these days are building these balanced offenses that create a perfect blend of pass and run from every formation that no single defensive play can stop.

Balanced offense has dominated every tier for the last several seasons. AA is the outlier. Maybe it's good if we get a little more variety. I personally preferred DC'ing when there was a good mix of pure run, pure pass, heavy run, balanced, etc.

Ya you couldn’t use the same defense game plan for everyone you had to always change and study

The changes weren't all that crazy if we're being honest. every season we get changes that really make the game seem more "real". This change just makes more skills relevant again. Even though defenders can get into the backfield wit some common sense now doesn't mean that they can take HBs down. Quality built backs are still as great. Also makes diversity MORE important. All pass can lead to a battered online now supposedly and and all run team can be exposed against quality defenses.

The change clearly supports diversity guys. Just because your vet teams may be affected doesn't mean it won't be a great change for you guys going forward

Originally posted by Rob.
Balanced offense has dominated every tier for the last several seasons

sounds like I picked a good time to come back

Originally posted by Rob.
I have my eye on Popeye's Spinach. I'm curious how they do this season. I also wonder if this will cause more teams to create pure run or pure pass offenses. "Back in my day" pure run and pure pass were the bees knees. Now all the kids these days are building these balanced offenses that create a perfect blend of pass and run from every formation that no single defensive play can stop.

Balanced offense has dominated every tier for the last several seasons. AA is the outlier. Maybe it's good if we get a little more variety. I personally preferred DC'ing when there was a good mix of pure run, pure pass, heavy run, balanced, etc.

unsure popeye will be much different from last season. seems i still need to overly rely on the elusive back as everyone has their builds to stop the pure power artist.