Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Forbin
Originally posted by Catch22

So it's 34-27 for/against. I'd love to hear comments from those that are against it as to why they are against it. Provide some logic behind your vote please.

376 votes for, 229 against as of this post.


And I am one of the 229. Know why? Cuz it won't work. It didn't work for the lower tiers, why the fuck do you think it would work for the upper tiers?

Get rid of the WL, and you'll have some more competitive teams for the pros, btw. Either way, WL or not, this idea is shit.

Get rid of the WL and then we go back to where 2 or 3 regions are favored over all the rest (2-3 mini-WL's ). USAPL and maybe one or two other leagues get the "WL experience" while all the rest of the regions still suck by comparison. Instead of "WL only" ads it will change back to "USAPL only" ads. Right now all the Pro leagues are on the same playing field (they all suck but I wouldnt say one is much stronger than another... certainly nowhere near what it was). Also, we go back to where elite teams elect not to enter the tournament or not take it seriously because they value the USAPL gold trophy as the penultimate.

+1

I would be willing to bet the majority of those voting against this is solely because they want to preserve regional affiliation.

No new leagues would have to be created... just resort so Pro playoff teams form the hemisphere leagues and the bottom half of Pro combines with regional pro elite (current regional pro elite contracts)

WL

Northern Hemisphere (elite 1)
Southern Hemisphere (elite 2)

Northern Hemisphere Feeder leagues
USAPL
CPL
EEPL
WEPL

Southern Hemisphere Feeder leagues
OPL
APL
SAPL
SEAPL


Make that work and everyone is happy!!

Originally posted by Catch22
Edit - Removed original suggestion after discussion. Replaced with below.

Let's face it. It's the only league level that has it's own unique structure and the question is why? The main reason is people want their regional affiliations. I am suggesting that for the good of the game we have to revamp this a bit and make the game about having competitive leagues that make sense. This is a bit of a merger of the Hemispheres suggestion and how the regular minor league structures work. Basically it would work like this:

Western Hemisphere (equivalent to Elite #1)
Eastern Hemisphere (equivalent to Elite #2)

(we can work on the regions that are used here, this is just the general concept being outlined)

Western Hemisphere Feeder leagues
North America
South America
Europe

Eastern Hemisphere Feeder leagues
Oceania
Africa
Asia

Promotion/Demotion

The top 8 teams (winner of first round playoff games) from each Hemisphere would promote to World League. The bottom 16 teams (non playoff teams) from World League would demote to Hemisphere. The bottom 16 teams from each Hemisphere (non playoff teams) would demote back down to Feeder leagues. The losers of first round playoff games from each Hemisphere would be the only teams that would remain. There would be 8 open slots for each Hemisphere. They would be taken by the conference championship game participants in each feeder league and then the next 2 best teams based on current tiebreakers (W-L record first).

The bottom four teams from each conference for each feeder league (total of 48 teams) would demote to Regional Pro. Promoting teams from Regional Pro would take those slots.

Your math is wrong, here, Catch:

2 hemisphere-leagues x 32 teams per league = 64 hemisphere teams

16 come from from World League (previous season's non-playoff teams)
16 remain from hemispheres (previous season lost 1st round)
that leaves 32 spots left, which is 16 per hemisphere, not 8 per hemisphere.

Originally posted by Catch22
Edit - Removed original suggestion after discussion. Replaced with below.

Let's face it. It's the only league level that has it's own unique structure and the question is why? The main reason is people want their regional affiliations. I am suggesting that for the good of the game we have to revamp this a bit and make the game about having competitive leagues that make sense. This is a bit of a merger of the Hemispheres suggestion and how the regular minor league structures work. Basically it would work like this:

Western Hemisphere (equivalent to Elite #1)
Eastern Hemisphere (equivalent to Elite #2)

(we can work on the regions that are used here, this is just the general concept being outlined)

Western Hemisphere Feeder leagues
North America
South America
Europe

Eastern Hemisphere Feeder leagues
Oceania
Africa
Asia

Promotion/Demotion

The top 8 teams (winner of first round playoff games) from each Hemisphere would promote to World League. The bottom 16 teams (non playoff teams) from World League would demote to Hemisphere. The bottom 16 teams from each Hemisphere (non playoff teams) would demote back down to Feeder leagues. The losers of first round playoff games from each Hemisphere would be the only teams that would remain. There would be 8 open slots for each Hemisphere. They would be taken by the conference championship game participants in each feeder league and then the next 2 best teams based on current tiebreakers (W-L record first).

The bottom four teams from each conference for each feeder league (total of 48 teams) would demote to Regional Pro. Promoting teams from Regional Pro would take those slots.

The bolded part

8 open hemisphere slots per league = 16 total slots - but see below - there are actually 16 open slots per league

6 pro leagues

6 x 4 conference championship game participants = 24 teams + 2 = 26

if you go with the 6 league championship game participants (the trophy winners) you get 12, + the 4 next best - maybe use the niborris rankings - would then go to hemisphere



also

the hemisphere has 64 teams (32 in each league)
16 1st round playoff winners go up, 16 WL demotees come down
32 non-playoff teams demote to pro (16 per league), so 32 would need to come up
16 first round losers remain to finish out the 64 teams

SO

I think this is the math you were looking for:


World League
32 teams
16 non-playoff teams demote
16 1st round winners from Hemisphere Promote
new league = 16 existing teams + 16 from hemisphere

Hemisphere
64 teams (2 leagues x 32 teams)
16 teams promote to WL (1st round playoff winners)
16 teams demote from WL
16 teams remain (1st round playoff losers)
32 teams demote to Pro
32 teams promote from Pro
new leagues = 16 former WL teams, 16 existing teams, 32 pro teams = 64 teams

Pro
192 teams (6 leagues x 32 teams)
32 teams demote from hemisphere
32 teams promote to hemisphere - 4 conference championship game contenders from each league gives you 24 teams - in other words, all 2nd round winners move up

this leaves 24 2nd round losers to fill 8 teams - put those 24 teams in a bracket to compete for those 8 spots with those last 2 exhibition games that get scheduled when they get knocked out

24 teams - 8 pods of 3 teams each - the 2 lowest seeds play, and the winner plays the highest seed to get one of the 8 remaining spots - or just take the highest 8 seeds from those 24 teams, or use NiborRis rankings from that list of 24 to get your 8

bottom 4 in each conference in Pro demote (48 teams total) to be backfilled from regional pro

lol

Edit:
Also, your next suggestion should be about fixing the WR screen catch location.

Originally posted by ImTheScientist
You only play casual and pee wee. It actually worked very well for the minors. I can't speak for casual.

Worked well for casual too.

Originally posted by beenlurken
What about the current Pro structure do you think works?

Just admit you want Pro to remain watered down and uncompetitive so it is easier for your team to make the WL... just admit that you think every team should have (and you are probably delusional enough to think that every team will have) an opportunity to play in the WL.

Whether you can accept it or not, only a small percentage of teams will ever make the WL. That being said, those that dont (especially those at the Pro level) deserve competitive seasons too.

I do think every team should have a shot at the WL, duh... And who's to say, there is no competition at the PRO level, sounds kinda ignorant.. There are tournaments and league challenges, join one or two.. Besides, all I hear is nothing compares to WL, so the thought of hearing, oh wait till the Hemispheres or whatever it will be called, just besides me.. All I've heard from this point is, wait till the Pro's, wait till the Pro's, now this... Wow..

The camaraderie that is and the camaraderie that will be, that's what I think works in the structure now..

Originally posted by reddogrw
The bolded part

8 open hemisphere slots per league = 16 total slots - but see below - there are actually 16 open slots per league

6 pro leagues

6 x 4 conference championship game participants = 24 teams + 2 = 26

if you go with the 6 league championship game participants (the trophy winners) you get 12, + the 4 next best - maybe use the niborris rankings - would then go to hemisphere



also

the hemisphere has 64 teams (32 in each league)
16 1st round playoff winners go up, 16 WL demotees come down
32 non-playoff teams demote to pro (16 per league), so 32 would need to come up
16 first round losers remain to finish out the 64 teams

SO

I think this is the math you were looking for:


World League
32 teams
16 non-playoff teams demote
16 1st round winners from Hemisphere Promote
new league = 16 existing teams + 16 from hemisphere

Hemisphere
64 teams (2 leagues x 32 teams)
16 teams promote to WL (1st round playoff winners)
16 teams demote from WL
16 teams remain (1st round playoff losers)
32 teams demote to Pro
32 teams promote from Pro
new leagues = 16 former WL teams, 16 existing teams, 32 pro teams = 64 teams

Pro
192 teams (6 leagues x 32 teams)
32 teams demote from hemisphere
32 teams promote to hemisphere - 4 conference championship game contenders from each league gives you 24 teams - in other words, all 2nd round winners move up

this leaves 24 2nd round losers to fill 8 teams - put those 24 teams in a bracket to compete for those 8 spots with those last 2 exhibition games that get scheduled when they get knocked out

24 teams - 8 pods of 3 teams each - the 2 lowest seeds play, and the winner plays the highest seed to get one of the 8 remaining spots - or just take the highest 8 seeds from those 24 teams, or use NiborRis rankings from that list of 24 to get your 8

bottom 4 in each conference in Pro demote (48 teams total) to be backfilled from regional pro

This ^

Math fail

But with that math reddog has, which is what I think you intended anyways, I am a major supporter of this idea.

How about we change the domain name next. This is no longer Goallineblitz.

Seriously, this is barely different and in no obvious way better than http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4408821 I guess the fact that I'm not suggesting it makes it more likely to get implemented, though.

Originally posted by bug03
My team has arguably been one of the top 10 NON-WL teams since season 13. We went to WL in season 16 with a rebuilt roster of almost all 64's. We got killed and went back and haven't gameplanned for a single game during the regular season since... This managed to make us lazy and eff up in the playoffs (our fault but we are admittedly lazy). My team is being punished , as you so eloquently put it, because we have better dots than the other teams? Well hell if I had known I was being punished, I would have quit a long time ago.
Your argument is retarded at best and you have no idea what you are talking about.

What part of best of the best did you not understand.. I used punished because that's what i feel this has become, a punishment.. Getting there with a bunch of players under 440 days old, I congratulate.. Doesn't mean you disband, is my point sorta.. You go through the process and reach it again.. It is a process to get to be the best of the best, I just don't think destroying the Pro's is one..

Originally posted by BobbyCox4Pres.
Originally posted by beenlurken

What about the current Pro structure do you think works?

Just admit you want Pro to remain watered down and uncompetitive so it is easier for your team to make the WL... just admit that you think every team should have (and you are probably delusional enough to think that every team will have) an opportunity to play in the WL.

Whether you can accept it or not, only a small percentage of teams will ever make the WL. That being said, those that dont (especially those at the Pro level) deserve competitive seasons too.

I do think every team should have a shot at the WL, duh... And who's to say, there is no competition at the PRO level, sounds kinda ignorant.. There are tournaments and league challenges, join one or two.. Besides, all I hear is nothing compares to WL, so the thought of hearing, oh wait till the Hemispheres or whatever it will be called, just besides me.. All I've heard from this point is, wait till the Pro's, wait till the Pro's, now this... Wow..

The camaraderie that is and the camaraderie that will be, that's what I think works in the structure now..

I am sorry but you are obviously the only one ignorant here... speaking about something for which you have no experience with. Also, who the hell have you been talking to that has said "wait till the Pro's"...

You should not have to join tournaments and league challenges to get competitive games.