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Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader

Your premise is flawed. The "...er" part of the phrase "smarter" would imply that jdbolick's opinion of his intelligence is subject to fluctuation. That is simply not the case--jdbolick maintains an unmutable confidence in his intellect that is not subject to the peaks and valleys mere mortals face.

oh

my bad, jd.

Originally posted by Mr. Dumass
Originally posted by Gart888

Originally posted by Aurorasdad


Originally posted by Gart888



I'm trying to put this in a way where you ACTUALLY take this seriously. nickelback and bands like linkin park are WICKED to listen to whilst driving in your car. you feel invincible. but when a guy feels invicible , the first thing on his mind is gettin head. if it's not, you most likely play in a band like pavement, and band that will NEVER achieve the stardom they want, because they aren't following the structure of a top 40 song, which is basically following the structure of a human beings mind.
if everyone in the world followed THAT structure, everyone would get along. they'red be no wars, no crime, everyone could just chill and rock out. and i'm not saying you guys are bad people, i'm just saying, look at this thread...your'e all tearing into me (well, most of you)

You still haven't answered my question, where in the hell did you come up with this unbelievably bizarre notion that there is a perfect "structure" to a top 40 song? It has now morphed from "success - record sales and blowjobs" to creating utopia. Nickleback and linkin park are showing us the way to no war and no crime. You can't be fuckin' serious.

BTW, I couldn't tell you a single Nback or LP song, I'm sure I have heard one, but I don't know a single person with one of their albums, so I don't "hate" their music, I'm just dumbfounded by your notion of aesthetics. It's high comedy.

http://www.iep.utm.edu/aestheti/

wait, you don't understand that there is a specific structure to top 40 pop songs? humans are creatures of habbit, and will be more likely to like something that they're already familiar with. it's why terrible experimental bands like yeasayer or animal collective still live with their parents, while nickelback drive lamborghinis.
take a look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I

to think there isn't a formula to pop success is

So your telling us that if you don't drive a Lamborghini, then your life is a failure?

yes, that is exactly what i'm saying. congratulations on your excellent reading comprehension ability.

Originally posted by Phil Jackson
Certain genre's are, rock clearly being one of them if Nickelback are the supposed "kings"

And what's worse then the stagnate industry is the scenes. The "hardcore" screamo scene. What is up with them? Who was the genius who decided "Hey lets take the whole 'rock' attire and mix it with the 'preppy' attire mixing Metallica shirts with some dunks, a matching bandanna and two belts, [both of which do nothing to hold up the tight jeans that aren't gonna fall down anytime soon]."

And not only did they steal the term hardcore which is a genre with bands like Agnostic Front and Black Flag, but they also get offended when you call them emo. The tight clothes and emo hair isnt enough for us to honestly mistake you for emos?

I just don't understand it. Its like hair metal all over again, except worse.

I'm sorry if this sounds like me complaining or whining or bitchy but I just want to discuss this with the forum. You guys are mainly intelligent people, I'd like to here your opinions.

Originally posted by jdbolick

I'm not sure that he counts as talented since he's just recycling someone else's music.

ur undermining ur own argument sir

Originally posted by Gart888
lol wat?

there are thousands of bands out there trying to write the perfect rock songs that will sell like crazy, and nobody is doing it as well as nickelback. how can't you see that = talent?

i'm sure there are people out there that are better at their instruments then nickelback, but they sure as hell can't write hooks as catchy, or songs as rockin, else they'd be selling more albums.

there in lies the fallacy behind your argument, catchy hooks =/= talent. It is a cheap trick that is used to sell albums, lots of rappers use that same trick.

Originally posted by Gart888
no man, it has lots of views so you can't like it or else you'll be too 'mainstream'


i'm so right i'm left

Originally posted by jdbolick
Originally posted by Phil Jackson

Did you miss the second half of my post? They have a few patterns that they use for every one of their songs and it follows a poppy rock formula that I have grown very tired of.

Originally posted by jdbolick

I'm not saying that everyone has to like them. I don't like every talented band either, but pretending that they aren't talented just because they don't fit your preference or because you want to seem different is just silly.

It lacks creativity/originality, something that is important in regards for me to like music. If they were talented they would be able to transform their sound to more than the same recycled stuff they have been doing for years.

Originally posted by Gart888
yes, that is exactly what i'm saying. congratulations on your excellent reading comprehension ability.

Good thing I just got done fucking a super model on the hood of my lambo then.

Originally posted by Phil Jackson
Originally posted by Gart888

lol wat?

there are thousands of bands out there trying to write the perfect rock songs that will sell like crazy, and nobody is doing it as well as nickelback. how can't you see that = talent?

i'm sure there are people out there that are better at their instruments then nickelback, but they sure as hell can't write hooks as catchy, or songs as rockin, else they'd be selling more albums.

there in lies the fallacy behind your argument, catchy hooks =/= talent. It is a cheap trick that is used to sell albums, lots of rappers use that same trick.

ffs, if the ability to write the catchiest hook didn't require incredible amounts of song-writing talent in your eyes, then there's no point talking with you.

and to everyone saying "LOL THAT MEANS BRITNEY SPEARS MUST BE TALENTED TOO ROFL", if she had written and recorded those songs herself, then fuck yes she'd have been incredibly talented.

since when did you need a better argument than 'i think they suck' for artistic critique?

Originally posted by Gart888
ffs, if the ability to write the catchiest hook didn't require incredible amounts of song-writing talent in your eyes, then there's no point talking with you.

and to everyone saying "LOL THAT MEANS BRITNEY SPEARS MUST BE TALENTED TOO ROFL", if she had written and recorded those songs herself, then fuck yes she'd have been incredibly talented.

she was talented for performing them imo

I mean you said it yourself jdbolick, you are not a musical expert by any means. I'm sure you just lacked exposure in your lifetime to the amount of music I have happily been able to enjoy and learn from. Having a dad with 5,000+ vinyls was sweet.

Originally posted by Phil Jackson
Originally posted by jdbolick

Originally posted by Phil Jackson


Did you miss the second half of my post? They have a few patterns that they use for every one of their songs and it follows a poppy rock formula that I have grown very tired of.

Originally posted by jdbolick


I'm not saying that everyone has to like them. I don't like every talented band either, but pretending that they aren't talented just because they don't fit your preference or because you want to seem different is just silly.

It lacks creativity/originality, something that is important in regards for me to like music. If they were talented they would be able to transform their sound to more than the same recycled stuff they have been doing for years.

Did the thought ever cross your mind that the music they make now brings a lot of happiness to a lot of people, and they don't want to change their sound? If nickelback wanted to sound like some bullshit experimental indie rock band, and sell 5% of the records they do now, i'm sure they could.