Another thing about Brees, Playmakers, is that he has the benefit of tall receivers... watch him in the Super Bowl. A lot of his throws are at the heads or higher on his receivers and they use the benefit of their size to get the ball over the db's... In that case, throwing with an upward trajectory works because of who he's throwing to.
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What about phillip rivers who throws to nothing but 6'5 guys and he himself is really tall at 6'5? Phillip has incredible touch on those passes and puts it perfectly to his monster WRs (floyd, jackson, gates)
I'm not getting involved here in this awful convo but the whole brees being short and throwing upwards to WRs is stretching it a lot.
I'm not getting involved here in this awful convo but the whole brees being short and throwing upwards to WRs is stretching it a lot.
Edited by chronoaug on Jan 28, 2010 10:14:00
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Originally posted by chronoaug
What about phillip rivers who throws to nothing but 6'5 guys and he himself is really tall at 6'5? Phillip has incredible touch on those passes and puts it perfectly to his monster WRs (floyd, jackson, gates)
I'm not getting involved here in this awful convo but the whole brees being short and throwing upwards to WRs is stretching it a lot.
not saying that's always the case, just that it's something that has helped him recently... brees success really lies in his ability to create his own passing windows and his mental acuteness..
What about phillip rivers who throws to nothing but 6'5 guys and he himself is really tall at 6'5? Phillip has incredible touch on those passes and puts it perfectly to his monster WRs (floyd, jackson, gates)
I'm not getting involved here in this awful convo but the whole brees being short and throwing upwards to WRs is stretching it a lot.
not saying that's always the case, just that it's something that has helped him recently... brees success really lies in his ability to create his own passing windows and his mental acuteness..
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Originally posted by chronoaug
What about phillip rivers who throws to nothing but 6'5 guys and he himself is really tall at 6'5? Phillip has incredible touch on those passes and puts it perfectly to his monster WRs (floyd, jackson, gates)
I'm not getting involved here in this awful convo but the whole brees being short and throwing upwards to WRs is stretching it a lot.
If we learned anything from Star Wars Episode 3, it is that the high ground is the only tactical advantage you need. Any QB under 6'2" is guaranteed to end up with a black cape and a respirator.
What about phillip rivers who throws to nothing but 6'5 guys and he himself is really tall at 6'5? Phillip has incredible touch on those passes and puts it perfectly to his monster WRs (floyd, jackson, gates)
I'm not getting involved here in this awful convo but the whole brees being short and throwing upwards to WRs is stretching it a lot.
If we learned anything from Star Wars Episode 3, it is that the high ground is the only tactical advantage you need. Any QB under 6'2" is guaranteed to end up with a black cape and a respirator.
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Originally posted by jktooley
Originally posted by chronoaug
What about phillip rivers who throws to nothing but 6'5 guys and he himself is really tall at 6'5? Phillip has incredible touch on those passes and puts it perfectly to his monster WRs (floyd, jackson, gates)
I'm not getting involved here in this awful convo but the whole brees being short and throwing upwards to WRs is stretching it a lot.
not saying that's always the case, just that it's something that has helped him recently... brees success really lies in his ability to create his own passing windows and his mental acuteness..
I don't think him being short makes it easier to pass to his WRs. I think Brees is just a great QB. Was great in college, great albeit inconsistent in San Diego, and even better in NO where the offense is perfect for him and he just came into his own. I don't think there is a tactical advantage in terms of his height and trajectory though
Originally posted by chronoaug
What about phillip rivers who throws to nothing but 6'5 guys and he himself is really tall at 6'5? Phillip has incredible touch on those passes and puts it perfectly to his monster WRs (floyd, jackson, gates)
I'm not getting involved here in this awful convo but the whole brees being short and throwing upwards to WRs is stretching it a lot.
not saying that's always the case, just that it's something that has helped him recently... brees success really lies in his ability to create his own passing windows and his mental acuteness..
I don't think him being short makes it easier to pass to his WRs. I think Brees is just a great QB. Was great in college, great albeit inconsistent in San Diego, and even better in NO where the offense is perfect for him and he just came into his own. I don't think there is a tactical advantage in terms of his height and trajectory though
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I think you're reading into the fact that he's an incredible QB and implying that he has tactical advantages. His advantage is being great.
With the exception of maybe it being easier for him to run because the LBs couldn't see where he was going behind the LOS, i don't think Doug Flutie had advantages being 5'8 or whatever he was.
Good QBs are good. It's possible to be good and 6'1 and 6'6 but it's just easier for the tall guys. I don't think you discrediting thousands of well versed and experienced pro football scouts with anecdotal evidence, a sample size of about 1, and guesses about physics holds much water.
Also, yea, shotgun is easier for most all QBs passing the ball but in the NFL you can't take all your snaps from shotgun like in college football which is why NFL scouts always like to see how college QBs do in senior day practices, combines and pro days
With the exception of maybe it being easier for him to run because the LBs couldn't see where he was going behind the LOS, i don't think Doug Flutie had advantages being 5'8 or whatever he was.
Good QBs are good. It's possible to be good and 6'1 and 6'6 but it's just easier for the tall guys. I don't think you discrediting thousands of well versed and experienced pro football scouts with anecdotal evidence, a sample size of about 1, and guesses about physics holds much water.
Also, yea, shotgun is easier for most all QBs passing the ball but in the NFL you can't take all your snaps from shotgun like in college football which is why NFL scouts always like to see how college QBs do in senior day practices, combines and pro days
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I'm sure the excellent football simulation mechanics of GLB can lay this question to rest.
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Originally posted by chronoaug
I think you're reading into the fact that he's an incredible QB and implying that he has tactical advantages. His advantage is being great.
With the exception of maybe it being easier for him to run because the LBs couldn't see where he was going behind the LOS, i don't think Doug Flutie had advantages being 5'8 or whatever he was.
Good QBs are good. It's possible to be good and 6'1 and 6'6 but it's just easier for the tall guys. I don't think you discrediting thousands of well versed and experienced pro football scouts with anecdotal evidence, a sample size of about 1, and guesses about physics holds much water.
Also, yea, shotgun is easier for most all QBs passing the ball but in the NFL you can't take all your snaps from shotgun like in college football which is why NFL scouts always like to see how college QBs do in senior day practices, combines and pro days
I don't think you're 100% comprehending what I'm implying...
I'm not arguing that Brees isn't a great QB... He is. I'm suggesting that there are abilities that he has (mental preparation, great footwork, tight spiral/velocity), and schemes that are used that factor into his success and effectively negate his one disadvantage which is height...
The whole basis of this argument is jdbolick suggesting that height is "about 86th on the list of things that matter for a qb", when in fact height is very important, has statistical evidence in favor of the argument, and is valued highly among scouts...
I think you'd be hard-pressed to find me making any arguments in this thread that flies in the face of scouts and experts outside of my errant assumption that Tony Pike has a cannon for an arm... Which was based solely off of me watching 2-3 UC games this season, most likely 1/2 tanked, seeing him complete a few deep passes, and then not reading any scouting reports on him before posting, which was irresponsible...
I think you're reading into the fact that he's an incredible QB and implying that he has tactical advantages. His advantage is being great.
With the exception of maybe it being easier for him to run because the LBs couldn't see where he was going behind the LOS, i don't think Doug Flutie had advantages being 5'8 or whatever he was.
Good QBs are good. It's possible to be good and 6'1 and 6'6 but it's just easier for the tall guys. I don't think you discrediting thousands of well versed and experienced pro football scouts with anecdotal evidence, a sample size of about 1, and guesses about physics holds much water.
Also, yea, shotgun is easier for most all QBs passing the ball but in the NFL you can't take all your snaps from shotgun like in college football which is why NFL scouts always like to see how college QBs do in senior day practices, combines and pro days
I don't think you're 100% comprehending what I'm implying...
I'm not arguing that Brees isn't a great QB... He is. I'm suggesting that there are abilities that he has (mental preparation, great footwork, tight spiral/velocity), and schemes that are used that factor into his success and effectively negate his one disadvantage which is height...
The whole basis of this argument is jdbolick suggesting that height is "about 86th on the list of things that matter for a qb", when in fact height is very important, has statistical evidence in favor of the argument, and is valued highly among scouts...
I think you'd be hard-pressed to find me making any arguments in this thread that flies in the face of scouts and experts outside of my errant assumption that Tony Pike has a cannon for an arm... Which was based solely off of me watching 2-3 UC games this season, most likely 1/2 tanked, seeing him complete a few deep passes, and then not reading any scouting reports on him before posting, which was irresponsible...
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Decided to dig a bit deeper so I could continue to incite more super awesome expert posts from our resident QB fantasy expert JD Bolick...
Doug Flutie... One of his go-to examples of short QB's having success....
Career passer rating? 76.3! For the record, that makes him slightly less effective than this years version of Jay Cutler...
Among currently active quarterbacks that would place him 29th, just behind Kyle Orton and ahead of Michael Vick for career passer rating...
In 1998, his best season, he was 11th in that category, 14th in yards, 17th in completion %, and 11th in TD's...
Seriously, over the entire course of this thread, have you made one valid point outside of the fact that Pike has a weak arm?
Doug Flutie... One of his go-to examples of short QB's having success....
Career passer rating? 76.3! For the record, that makes him slightly less effective than this years version of Jay Cutler...
Among currently active quarterbacks that would place him 29th, just behind Kyle Orton and ahead of Michael Vick for career passer rating...
In 1998, his best season, he was 11th in that category, 14th in yards, 17th in completion %, and 11th in TD's...
Seriously, over the entire course of this thread, have you made one valid point outside of the fact that Pike has a weak arm?
Edited by jktooley on Jan 28, 2010 13:04:29
Originally posted by jktooley
Doug Flutie... One of his go-to examples of short QB's having success....
Career passer rating? 76.3! For the record, that makes him slightly less effective than this years version of Jay Cutler...
Among currently active quarterbacks that would place him 29th, just behind Kyle Orton and ahead of Michael Vick for career passer rating...
In 1998, his best season, he was 11th in that category, 14th in yards, 17th in completion %, and 11th in TD's...
Doug Flutie... One of his go-to examples of short QB's having success....
Career passer rating? 76.3! For the record, that makes him slightly less effective than this years version of Jay Cutler...
Among currently active quarterbacks that would place him 29th, just behind Kyle Orton and ahead of Michael Vick for career passer rating...
In 1998, his best season, he was 11th in that category, 14th in yards, 17th in completion %, and 11th in TD's...
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I'm tired of Doug Flutie being the only example of a short QB. How about we toss Dieter Brock in the mix. He was 6'0"... that should count.
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Originally posted by jktooley
Decided to dig a bit deeper so I could continue to incite more super awesome expert posts from our resident QB fantasy expert JD Bolick...
Doug Flutie... One of his go-to examples of short QB's having success....
Career passer rating? 76.3! For the record, that makes him slightly less effective than this years version of Jay Cutler...
Among currently active quarterbacks that would place him 29th, just behind Kyle Orton and ahead of Michael Vick for career passer rating...
In 1998, his best season, he was 11th in that category, 14th in yards, 17th in completion %, and 11th in TD's...
Seriously, over the entire course of this thread, have you made one valid point outside of the fact that Pike has a weak arm?
Doug Flutie also didn't win just because of his arm..being a bills fan..
...I would know.
Decided to dig a bit deeper so I could continue to incite more super awesome expert posts from our resident QB fantasy expert JD Bolick...
Doug Flutie... One of his go-to examples of short QB's having success....
Career passer rating? 76.3! For the record, that makes him slightly less effective than this years version of Jay Cutler...
Among currently active quarterbacks that would place him 29th, just behind Kyle Orton and ahead of Michael Vick for career passer rating...
In 1998, his best season, he was 11th in that category, 14th in yards, 17th in completion %, and 11th in TD's...
Seriously, over the entire course of this thread, have you made one valid point outside of the fact that Pike has a weak arm?
Doug Flutie also didn't win just because of his arm..being a bills fan..
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