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Pretty quiet in APL land, the night before the playoffs, all are either game planning or are in shock of ITP's records..

Hey I didnt think he would win overall D, but a great ranking back to back for a lvl 52 FS in a respected Pro League. #1 FS 2 seasons running, AND this season Top 10 in D overall.

P.S. : THE BEST IS YET TO COME...

Originally posted by SheVegas
Pretty quiet in APL land, the night before the playoffs, all are either game planning or are in shock of ITP's records..

I only have internet at work, and we're staying fairly busy here. Tomorrow night though, I should have internet at my new house.

I started to make a thread making first round playoff predictions, but then I remembered there was supposed to be a special part of the Flex giveaway for picking playoff winners.

Originally posted by mikelj
Hey I didnt think he would win overall D, but a great ranking back to back for a lvl 52 FS in a respected Pro League. #1 FS 2 seasons running, AND this season Top 10 in D overall.

P.S. : THE BEST IS YET TO COME...

I'll try to simplify this, every year your FS is top 10 in defense ABD will not make the play-offs. If your FS is getting stats, your defense sucks.

Technically speaking his stats probably should have been even higher than they were. ABD wasn't exactly putting massive pressure on the QB this season

Best FS in the league. Thanks. So apparently his stats should "suck" and that makes him a better player?? Hmm, dont get that logic. If the play is at him and he makes the play or creates one, then that is what he is supposed to do.

Originally posted by Chugga34
Technically speaking his stats probably should have been even higher than they were. ABD wasn't exactly putting massive pressure on the QB this season

So shouldnt a team rated lower have a FS with better stats then?? Oh well 2 years running, going for the threepeat.

Originally posted by mikelj
Originally posted by Chugga34

Technically speaking his stats probably should have been even higher than they were. ABD wasn't exactly putting massive pressure on the QB this season

So shouldnt a team rated lower have a FS with better stats then?? Oh well 2 years running, going for the threepeat.

Exactly.......Guys talking here like we are on the bottom...Hmmm 7-9....So what about the 1-15 teams their FS's should have monster stats

Originally posted by mikelj
Best FS in the league. Thanks. So apparently his stats should "suck" and that makes him a better player?? Hmm, dont get that logic. If the play is at him and he makes the play or creates one, then that is what he is supposed to do.

It's pretty easy to understand if you've ever played or seriously watched football.

The goal of a DB is to keep the ball from getting to a receiver in the pass game. The goal of a safety is to be the last line of defense against the run (or pass). A perfect game for a defense would show up on a safety's stats as blanks (0 tackle/pd/int/ffum/etc) except for maybe sacks and PDs (if the safety is blitzed or put 1 on 1 with a receiver).

If a free safety gets tackles vs the run, it's a bad defensive play no matter what. If the FS was lined up in the box, then the DC is dumb (unless there's some really exotic trick play going on w/the defense). If the HB got to him, the Dline and LBs didn't do their job.

If a free safety gets a tackle vs the pass, it's a bad defensive play no matter what. Either he gave up a pass, or one of his teammates did.

Cornerbacks, ironically, can make tackles vs the run and have it be a good thing. Champ Bailey, for one, was a GREAT CB (in his prime, before the injuries the past two seasons) against the sweep plays where the runner was outside of the pocket (too far outside for the DEs/LBs). Against the pass, still not a good thing.

PDs/INTs aren't bad at the CB spot because it means the CB made the play a wasted play for the offense. That's where the forced incompletion % comes into play. A CB that forces incompletions (through 'jackhammer' type plays, PDs, INTs, or just good coverage to force a bad throw) at a high rate is a very valuable asset, but if you have 100 PDs and you've let up 200 catches, that's not very good at all (at least for GLB). I think, in the NFL, 40% or something is where the elite CBs stand.

If a safety makes a bunch of plays against the run, it's not a bad thing for the safety himself, but it's pad statting as the front 7 should have closed the deal before the safety could intervene.

I understand all that.....So why are the 3 win or 2 win team's FS not having monster stats???

Put a terrible FS on a terrible team and you'll still have bad stats.

I'm not saying ITP is bad by any measure. I'm just saying that being #1 in the rankings isn't good with the way the rankings are currently calculated because it means the rest of your defense is getting beat. Some of the FS' on the really good teams don't get the stats not because of a lack of talent, but because the defense in front of them takes care of the plays.

Originally posted by soapbox
Put a terrible FS on a terrible team and you'll still have bad stats.

I'm not saying ITP is bad by any measure. I'm just saying that being #1 in the rankings isn't good with the way the rankings are currently calculated because it means the rest of your defense is getting beat. Some of the FS' on the really good teams don't get the stats not because of a lack of talent, but because the defense in front of them takes care of the plays.



Ok fair enough...But what about the teams who have their DE's play shallow zone in certain situations to block a screen pass?????They will not put up the hurries or sack stats like they used to....There are a lot of if's and but's, so to win FS rank number 1 two seasons in a row, for being such a low level is very very impressive.
Vegas

Originally posted by SheVegas
Originally posted by soapbox

Put a terrible FS on a terrible team and you'll still have bad stats.

I'm not saying ITP is bad by any measure. I'm just saying that being #1 in the rankings isn't good with the way the rankings are currently calculated because it means the rest of your defense is getting beat. Some of the FS' on the really good teams don't get the stats not because of a lack of talent, but because the defense in front of them takes care of the plays.



Ok fair enough...But what about the teams who have their DE's play shallow zone in certain situations to block a screen pass?????They will not put up the hurries or sack stats like they used to....There are a lot of if's and but's, so to win FS rank number 1 two seasons in a row, for being such a low level is very very impressive.
Vegas

Well that's a special circumstance and you can make a note of it as far as DEs go.

And it's not very impressive the way the rankings are calculated. A flawed system is a flawed system.

It's the same reason Asante Samuel made the pro bowl last year and Sheldon Brown didn't, even though Brown had a better year. People see INTs and big plays and think the player is having a good season. CBs aren't supposed to be highlight reels. Even Deion Sanders was overrated just because he was able to make a name for himself.

There are no ifs nor buts about a free safety. If you have him playing out of position... I can't think of any good base defenses where the free safety doesn't play at the safety position. With strong safeties, there are circumstances (8 in the box, etc) where playing 'out of position' is fine. If you don't have the free safety in the traditional spot for like 75% of your snaps, it's a bad scheme most of the time (unless you're in the NFL and have a player like Kerry Rhodes or Ed Reed). In the free safety position, the best defensive play is where the FS doesn't have to make a play.

There is something inherently wrong with a FS compiling tackles and the such. I promise you that, if you look through all of his stat-gaining plays (except maybe the PDs if you had him double covering), most of them will have been made because one or more of the other 10 players on that defense messed up.

Edit: And no, I have no ulterior motive to posting this. Idc that you're SheVegas when it comes to this. This is just football theory.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ......This thing is still going? Wake me up when Season 11 is here!

ITP would be the best no matter the team. Just dont like to give props, now he got kinda a non slam from soapbox, which did surprise me. He is simply put the best FS in the league, regardless of stats.