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Originally posted by BlitzAce1981
Originally posted by bob_tomato

Originally posted by BlitzAce1981


Meanwhile, in one of the matches that doesn't matter in the slightest, the LA Sharks FINALLY came good... about 14 games too late. Seriously though, 20-9 against a side that wasn't TOO much weaker? If we had faced them during the regular season, you can guarantee that it would be the other way around... Ah well, hopefully we'll be able to carry this form through scrimmage, and into next season.

(Although I somehow doubt it. )

I don't doubt it - I think we've managed to figure out a few things, and the recent streak of better play will continue into next season. BIG test tomorrow night against a team that nearly made the playoffs...



Actually, now that's I've looked at the match-up, they're not much stronger than us... if we play like we did in the last two games, I think we could actually pinch it... I noticed that most of our offense were being alternated play-by-play - I just wonder if that confused the opposition's defense, only getting one play against the guy they're trying to intercept, before finding themselves chasing a different guy the next play. Of course, that assumes that there's a deep AI system within the simulations that allows for such tactics to work...

We might want to take this conversation to our team forum - we're making an effort to get more people involved in there...

Originally posted by Gambit26
Originally posted by claystone

Let me get this straight. The Drillers don't move up to the AA league because they lost in the playoffs? Even though they were #2 seed?

If this is the case it sucks, because the same can happen to us. So, I can be the #8 seed and get to the game before the championship title game and get to move? It should be the #1 and #2 seed move up due to their record.

I don't like this because you can have one bad game in the playoffs and you can't move up even though you had a great season.

The point of the season is to know where to rank the teams during the playoffs. If your a high seed, you get an "easier road" to the championship. Come playoff time, you no longer playing crappy teams. The best of the best go at it, and if you can't win the games against the good teams in that league, why should you deserve to move up in leagues?

I personally think the playoff algorithms are different than the regular season. If you check all the leagues, there are way too many close games, and way to many upsets. Now our game against the Pirates was a close one and with a No.4 playing a No. 5, it should have been. But then I look at the Roughnecks win over the MB Bears (not pickin' on you Roughnecks...just an example), here's a team that we scored 47 points on, yet two days later when the playoffs begin, the MB Bears score zero. We're not THAT superior to the MB Bears, and the MB Bears had the higher team level average.

I went through the league playoffs yesterday and entered a lot of that info into one of my spreadsheets. Stuff just doesn't make sense. Lot's of teams that played each other one or two games ago, suddenly saw scoring plummet. tpaterniti had a team that went 16-0 in the regular season, was the first seed, and played the 8th...a team that was almost 2 levels lower in team level average, had a few CPU's at backup, a Level ONE backup at CB ferchrisakes, and they previously beat 27-0...yet in their playoff game yesterday, it was an almost even match with the 16-0 team, went down to the wire, and the underdog beat the 16-0 team.

Upsets do occur in football, but they are rare, where in this game, they are very common. As I went through and entered my data last night, I began to see what looked like a pattern in all the leagues. Lots of 6's beat 3's...with that same 6-0 score the MB Bears and Roughneck had. Lots of 4's beat 5's with the same 16-13 score the Pirates had over us. In almost every league except a couple, I was seeing a lot of duplicate results and scores depending on the slotting. It made me wonder if Bort has programmed in an upset feature into the playoffs to add excitement and hope to the game...at the expense of the poor teams that happened to pull that raffle ticket for their games. The numbers I keep in my spreadsheet for the regular season just DO NOT match the numbers that are coming out of the playoffs.

Throw in the fact that the AI just does not follow your game strategy at times, and the duplication of scores according to slotting...it made me wonder if this really is a game of strategy, or is there more influence of chance by "dice rolls" of the algorithms, or even predetermined results before you even play.

No way should tpaterniti's team, almost a full 2 levels above the 8th seed, lose a nail biter...until you notice there were a bunch more teams throughout the leagues that suffered identical situations. There's too much duplication with that event within the 60 leagues for it NOT to be mathematical programmed event.

I have to agree with the feelings about some differences in the playoffs , i m not concern directly 2 of my team were supposed to win and the third one was supposed to loose , and that's what happened , upsets happens and i m right with that , but playoffs brings a lot of strange results
You should bring a thread asking about that coachZ.

Originally posted by CoachZ
But then I look at the Roughnecks win over the MB Bears (not pickin' on you Roughnecks...just an example), here's a team that we scored 47 points on, yet two days later when the playoffs begin, the MB Bears score zero. We're not THAT superior to the MB Bears, and the MB Bears had the higher team level average.



If you think we game planned and coached that game the same way as we did against you then you're quite mistaken.

A lot of these playoff matches are re-matches obviously. . . . and teams have more to go on when game planning in the playoffs than they did in the regular season. Just something worth considering.

Originally posted by lawdawg95
Originally posted by CoachZ

But then I look at the Roughnecks win over the MB Bears (not pickin' on you Roughnecks...just an example), here's a team that we scored 47 points on, yet two days later when the playoffs begin, the MB Bears score zero. We're not THAT superior to the MB Bears, and the MB Bears had the higher team level average.



If you think we game planned and coached that game the same way as we did against you then you're quite mistaken.

A lot of these playoff matches are re-matches obviously. . . . and teams have more to go on when game planning in the playoffs than they did in the regular season. Just something worth considering.

I agree...and that's just more data I'm hoping to accumulate...just how much the game settings do and can influence the game outcome. If it was superior strategy settings that allowed all these upsets...than that definitely would make this a tremendous game, because it would remove the focus on just pure power player levels/builds, and send notice that the weaker team can win by using their brains...the ultimate goal for a strategy game...however, if there are upsets happening merely because it's an event that has been coded in, and it doesn't matter what the hell the settings where, then we are dealing with a game of chance. It's the duplication of scores according to playoff slotting that is bothering me a little bit right now.

Originally posted by claystone
Let me get this straight. The Drillers don't move up to the AA league because they lost in the playoffs? Even though they were #2 seed?

If this is the case it sucks, because the same can happen to us. So, I can be the #8 seed and get to the game before the championship title game and get to move? It should be the #1 and #2 seed move up due to their record.

I don't like this because you can have one bad game in the playoffs and you can't move up even though you had a great season.

well only 1 team moves up from each conference, so at #2 the Drillers wouldn't have made it.

but yeah, its the playoffs that decide everything - one of the reasons we waited to boost till the playoffs.

Originally posted by jearly
Originally posted by claystone

Let me get this straight. The Drillers don't move up to the AA league because they lost in the playoffs? Even though they were #2 seed?

If this is the case it sucks, because the same can happen to us. So, I can be the #8 seed and get to the game before the championship title game and get to move? It should be the #1 and #2 seed move up due to their record.

I don't like this because you can have one bad game in the playoffs and you can't move up even though you had a great season.

well only 1 team moves up from each conference, so at #2 the Drillers wouldn't have made it.

but yeah, its the playoffs that decide everything - one of the reasons we waited to boost till the playoffs.

LOL yea dude... #1 seed means nothing but home field for the playoffs... the 2 teams that move up, just like last season, are the 2 that make it to the title game.

Seminoles and Miami shark were last seasons #1 teams i believe and they were still here

Originally posted by Whatsdafus
Originally posted by jearly

Originally posted by claystone


Let me get this straight. The Drillers don't move up to the AA league because they lost in the playoffs? Even though they were #2 seed?

If this is the case it sucks, because the same can happen to us. So, I can be the #8 seed and get to the game before the championship title game and get to move? It should be the #1 and #2 seed move up due to their record.

I don't like this because you can have one bad game in the playoffs and you can't move up even though you had a great season.

well only 1 team moves up from each conference, so at #2 the Drillers wouldn't have made it.

but yeah, its the playoffs that decide everything - one of the reasons we waited to boost till the playoffs.

LOL yea dude... #1 seed means nothing but home field for the playoffs... the 2 teams that move up, just like last season, are the 2 that make it to the title game.

Seminoles and Miami shark were last seasons #1 teams i believe and they were still here

well not the sharks anymore

Originally posted by CoachZ
Originally posted by lawdawg95

Originally posted by CoachZ


But then I look at the Roughnecks win over the MB Bears (not pickin' on you Roughnecks...just an example), here's a team that we scored 47 points on, yet two days later when the playoffs begin, the MB Bears score zero. We're not THAT superior to the MB Bears, and the MB Bears had the higher team level average.



If you think we game planned and coached that game the same way as we did against you then you're quite mistaken.

A lot of these playoff matches are re-matches obviously. . . . and teams have more to go on when game planning in the playoffs than they did in the regular season. Just something worth considering.

I agree...and that's just more data I'm hoping to accumulate...just how much the game settings do and can influence the game outcome. If it was superior strategy settings that allowed all these upsets...than that definitely would make this a tremendous game, because it would remove the focus on just pure power player levels/builds, and send notice that the weaker team can win by using their brains...the ultimate goal for a strategy game...however, if there are upsets happening merely because it's an event that has been coded in, and it doesn't matter what the hell the settings where, then we are dealing with a game of chance. It's the duplication of scores according to playoff slotting that is bothering me a little bit right now.


That and that we tell our computer to use x settings, and then it uses y. With auto-adjust turned "completely off", just makes it very frustrating. But it is a beta, so I guess we gotta just deal with that part of it.

LOL, just a beta, we hear that being said a lot now days.

Originally posted by cbo0485

That and that we tell our computer to use x settings, and then it uses y. With auto-adjust turned "completely off", just makes it very frustrating.


That works the same way for both teams.

Originally posted by lawdawg95
Originally posted by cbo0485


That and that we tell our computer to use x settings, and then it uses y. With auto-adjust turned "completely off", just makes it very frustrating.


That works the same way for both teams.

True, but when you are the winning team you don't care. When you lose two years in a row in the first round of the playoffs, it's rather frustrating.

Originally posted by cbo0485
Originally posted by lawdawg95

Originally posted by cbo0485



That and that we tell our computer to use x settings, and then it uses y. With auto-adjust turned "completely off", just makes it very frustrating.


That works the same way for both teams.

True, but when you are the winning team you don't care. When you lose two years in a row in the first round of the playoffs, it's rather frustrating.

Your tears bring me joy.

Good luck to the Care Bears tonight, as well as all the remaining playoff teams!

What the fuck CCC.

Playoff day an no post, you bastards fail.

Originally posted by lawdawg95

So New England shouldn't have even had to bother playing the Super Bowl last season?

Who would they appoint as their substitutes?