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TehKyou
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Eh I don't know, if anything I've seen this fanbase be more unified in their opinions about whats broken. With a few exceptions most people agree with each other that somethings just a'int right y'hear? Most people disagree on what should be done to fix it. Other than Corndog, who believes he's fixed it already
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Black Peter
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I dunno about that TehKyou. Sounds like the same sorts of conversations between player-base "factions" and between player-base and devs to me. And still not having a viable testing area with dedicated testers after so many years is just plain dumb. So Corndog makes all these code adjustments and then sim-tests them on his box for results? yeah, that works so well. Same thing that happened in other game for all those seasons. I don't see many differences at all between the on-going development of GLB2 and the development of GLB1. Just Act II.
 
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Originally posted by Xavori
Or, alternatively, they could have learned those lessons from practically every online game out there.

It's a big part of why I haven't gotten upset once during this whole comical farce.

It's all happened before. It will all happen again.


Yeah, but you'd be seeing it in a slightly different light if you'd already experienced the same thing in GLB1. You didn't since you never played that game. Most dev houses actually learn some from their past.
 
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Originally posted by Black Peter
Yeah, but you'd be seeing it in a slightly different light if you'd already experienced the same thing in GLB1. You didn't since you never played that game. Most dev houses actually learn some from their past.


You mean every change isn't always perfect?

Why won't people just learn? Most games nowadays only have one patch and it fixes everything and they never need another patch because everything is working perfectly.
 
o The Boss x
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Originally posted by Corndog
Why won't people just learn? Most games nowadays only have one patch and it fixes everything and they never need another patch because everything is working perfectly.


Except when a patch makes something too powerful or worthless. Call of Duty always buffs/nerfs their guns early on, if anyone remembers the 74u days way back, that thing was nerfed/buffed to death.
 
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Originally posted by o The Boss x
Except when a patch makes something too powerful or worthless. Call of Duty always buffs/nerfs their guns early on, if anyone remembers the 74u days way back, that thing was nerfed/buffed to death.


Every online game, especially multipayer compeitive games, has nerf and buff cycles. Something is always better than something else and something is always weaker than something else.

Then the next update changes that...and that's just kind of how it is.

EA has hundreds of people developing and testing their games and their patches still aren't perfect. GLB2 has one slightly overweight guy on a slow computer.
 
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Originally posted by Corndog
You mean every change isn't always perfect?

Why won't people just learn? Most games nowadays only have one patch and it fixes everything and they never need another patch because everything is working perfectly.


Come on Corndog. "Why won't people just learn?" = exactly what I am talking about. But for the devs = you. You all haven't managed to patch/fix the same things that were messed up in GLB1 even after a 4+ year beta. So why don't devs learn? And as for the whole, Most games nowadays only have one patch and it fixes everything and they never need another patch because everything is working perfectly -- what games? Not MMOs for sure. This is an MMO correct? Incremental fixes, view effects, rinse repeat is the norm from my experience. And most games have dedicated and paid tester base too. You pulling out the most games nowadays and comparing to GLB cycle is comical though.

Still love you all and enjoy the games. Just wish the glb2 tract wasn't heading down the same road as the original, but seems to be from all I see.
 
Jampy2.0
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EA is absolute garbage lol.

didn't read any post, just saw Corndog talking about EA and lold.
 
TehKyou
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Sounds like Warrior General Games should be paying for a faster computer for their slightly overweight coder
 
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Originally posted by Black Peter
Yeah, but you'd be seeing it in a slightly different light if you'd already experienced the same thing in GLB1. You didn't since you never played that game. Most dev houses actually learn some from their past.


Once upon a time there was this game named Ultima Online (I'd go with some of the text based MUD's I played on that went through this nonsense, but UO is a bit better known). And in that game there were nasty vile creatures known as Player Killers, or PK's for short.

PK's were the bane of UO. They were all exploiters, cheats, hackers, whatever other ad hominem the local carebears could think to call them (and to be honest, some of the PK's actually were exploiters and cheats, but that doesn't really apply to this story at this time). Perhaps the most well known of those PK's was a charming rogue named Xavori (no really. Xavori once upon a time got interviewed for Wired Magazine).

Now, UO was ruled by a wise and benevolent dev named Designer Dragon. Designer Dragon heard the pleas of the desperate masses, "Help us, Designer Dragon. You're our only hope." And DD's heart was moved (and ya know, that's the first time it's occured to me that DD - Designer Dragon and DD - Digital Daggers share the same initials for their online personas. Pretty sure Raph isn't a pro wrestling fan, tho). But what to do?

At this time, living on a message board known as the Crossroads of Britannia (a board whose members would not-at-all coincidentally become part of The Lost Lounge) was a future Lounger named MNBob. MNBob was a fun and happy person who also wanted to do something about the scourge of the PK's. So he came up with a great and wonderous plan that would solve the problem once and for all and unicorns and rainbows would fly out of everyone's butt. He called it The Reputation System. By this system there would be Great Lords and Dread Lords, and best of all, the system would be totally automatic.

DD read of this wonderous invention, and being a wise and benevolent dev, asked for others opinions on it. It took the rogue Xavori about .0000001 seconds to explain all the fun and exciting ways that the system was going to fail, get abused, and generally make life even worse. But Xavori was a vile PK whose only popularity came from having a really good PR agent writing all his press releases. So Xavori's concerns were ignored. DD put MNBob's reputation system into UO, and there was much rejoicing.

For about .0000001 seconds.

Xavori, true to his word, began exploiting the holy living hell out of the reputation system changing from Great Lord to Dread Lord pretty much at will based on what he wanted to do that day. At the same time, those vile nasty PK's all made themselves into good Great Lords and then found all kinds of amusing (well, amusing to them anyway) ways of getting otherwise innocent players to do something that would get them flagged as attackable. Once flagged, the valiant and noble PK's would gank the hell of the innocent. The innocent's friends could not fight back as attacking a Great Lord was the easiest way to get yourself flagged Dread Lord and become a bright red target for everyone in the game. So the innocent was left to defend himself alone. But it gets better. If the innocent did in fact defend themself, they'd start racking up negative karma which would start them on the path to Dread Lord.

In short, MNBob's fix made the game much, much worse. Except for Xavori because again, he's really good at finding the loopholes in games.

If anyone is so mind numbingly bored they'd like to hear more of these stories, I've got bunches and bunches. In fact, one of the very firstest articles I ever got paid to write was how to abuse the stock market in Railroad Tycoon II to take over all the AI railroads with minimal actual railroad building of your own
 
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Originally posted by TehKyou
Sounds like Warrior General Games should be paying for a faster computer for their slightly overweight coder


Agreed.

Now my computer has even started crashing when I'm running game after game to test changes.
 
Jampy2.0
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decdided to block xav and only open his posts when im drunk,

maybe then ill care
 
o The Boss x
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Could we expect another mid-season change or will GLB be holding off mainly until offseason to change things up again?
 
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Originally posted by o The Boss x
Could we expect another mid-season change or will GLB be holding off mainly until offseason to change things up again?


I have some changes and fixes to rushing, but not sure if they'll be uploaded since people seem unhappy about midseason changes.
 
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Originally posted by Xavori
Fairly interesting text wall


Originally posted by Jampy2.0
decdided to block xav and only open his posts when im drunk,

maybe then ill care
I opened Jampy's post cuz I'm drunk (not really I don't drink, I just have him on the ignore list so I can mentally prepare myself before I read one of his posts. I actually like him alot more now since I did that.

But Jampy. I (Aye) care.

 
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