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Originally posted by kjoe51689
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I'm not saying this idea is correct, but ffs the current version really has the potential to screw over good teams. Especially when 6 win teams can make the playoffs. :/

How does that sound better for the sake of the playoffs?? It still allows a team to just goof off and make the playoffs. There is no problem solved there. It's just shifted

What don't you get about win your division lol.

you're going through all this trouble when you could simply win your division and not worry about any of this

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Originally posted by Corndog
Changing it to overall best records means the top teams just go back to cruise controlling through the entire season regardless of their division.

Using the Oberon League as an example again...

The gamma division is prolly going to be won by a team with a losing record. The only reason it wouldn't is that they'll get wins against each other to finish the season. They have one team with an inactive owner and another with a whole slew of inactive players. Yet the current system guarantees one of them a playoff spot.

Glasgow in the beta division is already a cinch for the playoffs. They have way above chances of making the playoffs every year unless you reshuffle the league as one team in their league is inactive, and the other is just trying to clone Djibouti without Djibouti's players (ie., running that playbook but with guys who aren't built for it) which makes me doubt they'll be any kind of competition ever.

In the alpha division, we have Djibouti 2.0 with all their superstars. That means DADDY and Lost Lounge are playing for a wildcard at best even though both of them could make an argument for being the second best team in the entire league, and one of them is definitely at least the third best (we'll get to answer that as they play each other in the final league of the season).

Now, I'm not sure what kind of competition you're looking for, but if I were the fourth team in alpha, I'd quit the game completely....which the owner apparently did. Heck, if DADDY and Lost Lounge didn't have owners and coaches that were heavily involved in other teams, they might have been tempted to quit day one when you see Djibouti and all those superstars in the lineup and realize that barring something really bizarre, the best you could hope for is a wildcard.

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First of all you could use that logic regardless of the setup. Teams were and still are switching leagues in glb1 for easier roads to wl and championships.

Second of all to act like daddy has no chance because dd has those superstars is super lol.

Originally posted by kjoe51689

Id restart every single year until I get in a easy conference. . Hell why not, all that matters in the end is that trophy.. This was the same complaint with elite leagues. Competition was better but you could tank a year and go win a trophy at low level the next...

All that matters is high level trophies... in glb1 ppl lold at my rookie championships even though i took pride in them.

there is a big difference bro.

Originally posted by kjoe51689

Id restart every single year until I get in a easy conference. . Hell why not, all that matters in the end is that trophy..


I play this game for fun, not for gifs. Being in a good an a good conference is great. More competition and more fun.

Originally posted by bhall43
First of all you could use that logic regardless of the setup. Teams were and still are switching leagues in glb1 for easier roads to wl and championships.

Second of all to act like daddy has no chance because dd has those superstars is super lol.

So, and please correct me if I'm wrong, you recognize there are problem with the current setup, and your solution is to keep it?

I'd argue that having people switch leagues is the best possible outcome the devs can hope for when they get frustrated with the division alignment. The alternative is to realize you're stuck in a division you're not going to win and to just quit, and in the process, quit giving the devs money.

That means I think we should discuss what kind of changes could be implemented to encourage people to not go give up and go inactive.

Originally posted by Xavori
The alternative is to realize you're stuck in a division you're not going to win and to just quit, and in the process, quit giving the devs money.

Yeah maybe for scrubs.. Everyone else will accept the challenge and try to get better to compete.

Originally posted by Xavori
So, and please correct me if I'm wrong, you recognize there are problem with the current setup, and your solution is to keep it?

I'd argue that having people switch leagues is the best possible outcome the devs can hope for when they get frustrated with the division alignment. The alternative is to realize you're stuck in a division you're not going to win and to just quit, and in the process, quit giving the devs money.

That means I think we should discuss what kind of changes could be implemented to encourage people to not go give up and go inactive.

Your alternative doesn't do anything for the bottom feeders who you say will quit. Do you see that? So I'm not sure why you keep referring to it. And they shouldn't quit because they can't win games as they should be playing 16 competitive games at the very least each season. That's what the ladder is for. I find it absolutely hilarious though that you used Oberon as an example and then claimed your team is basically just playing for the wild card.

Originally posted by bhall43
Your alternative doesn't do anything for the bottom feeders who you say will quit. Do you see that? So I'm not sure why you keep referring to it. And they shouldn't quit because they can't win games as they should be playing 16 competitive games at the very least each season. That's what the ladder is for. I find it absolutely hilarious though that you used Oberon as an example and then claimed your team is basically just playing for the wild card.

I haven't given an alternative. I'm still trying to get you to accept that we need to start discussing possibilities.

You seem to accept, and I've made it clear I agree, the current system isn't that great. If you're in a division in a league where you think you're overmatched, there is no reason to stay in that league. You're options are to a) accept you will never make the playoffs except as a wildcard, b) restart into another league, or c) quit playing GLB2 altogether.

The number of people who will choose A is miniscule. You can't build a business around them.

The number of people who will choose B is enough to build a business around, except that they're only going to try a couple times before they give up.

The number of people who choose C is prolly the largest given the sheer number of competing sources of entertainment people have.

So the goal is to figure out some way to incentivize sticking it out and trying harder. I'd kinda like to have that discussion rather than arguing about whether using divisions for playoffs makes any sense in light of the overwhelming evidence it's not that great.

p.s. As for Oberon and my team (Lost Lounge, btw) playing for the wild card. It's math at this point. Djibouti 2.0 will beat the elves at which point they'll have 12 wins. Both the Lounge and DADDY could win all three remaining games and only get to 11 wins. I'm pretty sure we're playing for the wild card. This wouldn't bother me at all because I'm one of those people you'll find in my group A above except that I keep looking at the gamma division where there are no teams with a winning record, and one of them is going to get rewarded with a playoff spot.

Originally posted by Xavori
You seem to accept, and I've made it clear I agree, the current system isn't that great. If you're in a division in a league where you think you're overmatched, there is no reason to stay in that league. You're options are to a) accept you will never make the playoffs except as a wildcard, b) restart into another league, or c) quit playing GLB2 altogether.

There's also the "git gud" option.

I mean, if you're getting beat on every season by the same team over and over, then recruit and change your strategy to beat that team. Static divisions should create a miniature meta, where you try to beat the top team of the division. Kind of like how college football is.

Originally posted by Xavori
This wouldn't bother me at all because I'm one of those people you'll find in my group A above except that I keep looking at the gamma division where there are no teams with a winning record, and one of them is going to get rewarded with a playoff spot.


Except they won't have a chance of winning the league and who cares if you make the playoffs if you don't have a chance. If you're in a tough division and you make the playoffs you have a much better shot of actually winning a title imo.

Originally posted by Corndog
There's also the "git gud" option.

I mean, if you're getting beat on every season by the same team over and over, then recruit and change your strategy to beat that team. Static divisions should create a miniature meta, where you try to beat the top team of the division. Kind of like how college football is.

this is what AGD2D does

Originally posted by Corndog
There's also the "git gud" option.

I mean, if you're getting beat on every season by the same team over and over, then recruit and change your strategy to beat that team. Static divisions should create a miniature meta, where you try to beat the top team of the division. Kind of like how college football is.

You mean kinda how they completely reworked how college football was because creating a haves-have not's dichotomy has inherent weaknesses and how they're moving to a more open playoff system because it'll be vastly more profitable?

Anyway, less snarky reply...

The other team I'm a DC for is #1 in the Eris League, so I'm getting there on the "git gud" thing. Lost Lounge would likely been at least in the longshot category for winning the division if I, or any of the other coaches had had any experience in GLB2 before this season. It would've gone faster if being a defensive coach in GLB2 was more like being a real defensive coach, but I've learned to live with many of the limitations. I still want more information to be available when watching replays, but I'll live for now and wait while y'all keep adding stuff.

But let's say I was only an average GLB2 coach (which is going to be the very vast majority of your players because bell curve) who really likes real football and wouldn't mind wasting some of his free time playing GLB2. But then let's say I get beat year after year by one team and don't make the playoffs, but I keep hearing about these scrub teams who do. Do you think I'm going to keep playing?

Not only would I not, but I'd be very human and decide that it was because the game was broke rather than anything wrong with me that led to my quitting. I'd then make it a point to tell anyone I knew that considered playing GLB2 not to bother because the game was so broke that good players like me never made the playoffs while guys who sucked would just luck out and get in. And again, it doesn't matter if that's the reality or not since most humans are very good at rationalizing to protect their egos.

Of course, the better argument is that if you could come up with a better system without those great big flaws, why wouldn't you want to pursue it?