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Originally posted by Dpride59
Originally posted by tbsteel

I don't think you can disagree with the point ITS made that it's simply ridiculous to say Bradford is the most pro ready QB to come out since Peyton Manning. .

Who have been the pro ready qbs since peyton manning tho? Eli? vick? VY? Thats the thing, there really hasn't been any "Pro ready qbs" and if manning was pro ready like 1-15 is pro ready then who the fucks want to be like that? So tough to say on qb's being pro ready IMO because Matt Ryan/Flacco/Rothlesberger have had as much success as any rookie qbs I Can remember -none of them were considered more pro ready than bradford. This entire argument seems like a bullshit one with no real end because it seems people are arguing shit that the other guys aren't

I think dpride is the only one who gets it. We are talking about as QB prospects. Looking at a guy AFTER his season and saying oh he was more Pro ready is pretty pointless. Ryan was not even the top prospect in his draft class, he was not thought to be a really pro ready prospect because of his struggles with consistency and interceptions in college. He was a surprise(mostly because Atlanta ran their offense through Turner). Eli Manning is probably the only one who people rated as highly as Bradford has been when it came to readiness as a prospect.

Originally posted by tbsteel
He's probably been under center more than a lot of these spread QBs but he's certainly not ready to do it full time. It is something he's going to have to work on, no doubt.

Arguing he's more pro ready than Matt Ryan for example and the system he ran at Boston College is absolutely idiotic.

Just stop man. You just asked if Bradford has taken a snap under center in his career. Don't backtrack. You have no clue here, probably because you never watched Bradford during college. Do you think you know Oklahoma's offense better than Bob Stoops? Before the draft, Bob Stoops stated that Oklahoma took 50% of their snaps from under center.

Originally posted by Dpride59
Who have been the pro ready qbs since peyton manning tho? Eli? vick? VY? Thats the thing, there really hasn't been any "Pro ready qbs" and if manning was pro ready like 1-15 is pro ready then who the fucks want to be like that? So tough to say on qb's being pro ready IMO because Matt Ryan/Flacco/Rothlesberger have had as much success as any rookie qbs I Can remember -none of them were considered more pro ready than bradford. This entire argument seems like a bullshit one with no real end because it seems people are arguing shit that the other guys aren't

Well yeah, I wouldn't argue with that. Hell I'm a Steelers fan and all I heard about during the NFL draft was how Big Ben was going to ride the pine for 2-3 years and how Manning and especially Rivers were more ready to come in and succeed from day one. Ends up that Rivers is afforded the luxury of riding the pine for a couple of years, whereas Roethlisberger is forced into action the second game of the season because of injury and takes the league by storm winning 14 straight starts which will never come close to being broken by another rookie QB.

But the original post on this subject argued that Sam Bradford was the most pro ready QB since Peyton. He's the one that started this whole basis of defining some QBs more "pro ready" than others. If we're going to compare QBs who have entered the league compared to experience and familiarity with pro style systems, I'm going to argue that there have been many QBs who are more experienced and more familiar with NFL pro style systems than Bradford is.

Originally posted by jrry32
Just stop man. You just asked if Bradford has taken a snap under center in his career. Don't backtrack. You have no clue here, probably because you never watched Bradford during college. Do you think you know Oklahoma's offense better than Bob Stoops? Before the draft, Bob Stoops stated that Oklahoma took 50% of their snaps from under center.

I didn't ask a question it was f'n rhetorical dude and highlighting a point that he's not used to taking snaps under center as much as other QBs that have come out (such as a Matt Ryan). But keep deflecting from the main point of this argument by focusing in on snap counts (as if 50% under center is impressive, especially when compared to a DECADE LONG list of other QBs that have come out, jesus).

Originally posted by tbsteel
Originally posted by Dpride59

Who have been the pro ready qbs since peyton manning tho? Eli? vick? VY? Thats the thing, there really hasn't been any "Pro ready qbs" and if manning was pro ready like 1-15 is pro ready then who the fucks want to be like that? So tough to say on qb's being pro ready IMO because Matt Ryan/Flacco/Rothlesberger have had as much success as any rookie qbs I Can remember -none of them were considered more pro ready than bradford. This entire argument seems like a bullshit one with no real end because it seems people are arguing shit that the other guys aren't

Well yeah, I wouldn't argue with that. Hell I'm a Steelers fan and all I heard about during the NFL draft was how Big Ben was going to ride the pine for 2-3 years and how Manning and especially Rivers were more ready to come in and succeed from day one. Ends up that Rivers is afforded the luxury of riding the pine for a couple of years, whereas Roethlisberger is forced into action the second game of the season because of injury and takes the league by storm winning 14 straight starts which will never come close to being broken by another rookie QB.

But the original post on this subject argued that Sam Bradford was the most pro ready QB since Peyton. He's the one that started this whole basis of defining some QBs more "pro ready" than others. If we're going to compare QBs who have entered the league compared to experience and familiarity with pro style systems, I'm going to argue that there have been many QBs who are more experienced and more familiar with NFL pro style systems than Bradford is.


No college QB is familiar with a NFL system or NFL reads because it's so much harder and more complicated in the NFL. That's why you really don't put a lot of emphasis on college systems OTHER than seeing if the QB during his time in college went through progressions, made reads and took snaps under center. What you look for in a QB is qualities that will make the translation easier like a quick release, pre-snap recognition, the ability to go through progressions and make reads, accuracy and maturity. That's what you look for. All this spread vs. pro style system bullshit is nothing more than generalized talk casual fans try to use as a basis for an argument because they have not seen enough of a player to make a personalized argument.

Originally posted by tbsteel
Originally posted by jrry32

Just stop man. You just asked if Bradford has taken a snap under center in his career. Don't backtrack. You have no clue here, probably because you never watched Bradford during college. Do you think you know Oklahoma's offense better than Bob Stoops? Before the draft, Bob Stoops stated that Oklahoma took 50% of their snaps from under center.

I didn't ask a question it was f'n rhetorical dude and highlighting a point that he's not used to taking snaps under center as much as other QBs that have come out (such as a Matt Ryan). But keep deflecting from the main point of this argument by focusing in on snap counts (as if 50% under center is impressive, especially when compared to a DECADE LONG list of other QBs that have come out, jesus).

What argument? Is your argument really that Bradford needs to work at taking snaps under center because he only did it 50% of the time on game days? Seriously?

If you want to win WL in S17 you'll send jamz a lol gm.

Originally posted by jrry32
Originally posted by tbsteel

Originally posted by Dpride59


Who have been the pro ready qbs since peyton manning tho? Eli? vick? VY? Thats the thing, there really hasn't been any "Pro ready qbs" and if manning was pro ready like 1-15 is pro ready then who the fucks want to be like that? So tough to say on qb's being pro ready IMO because Matt Ryan/Flacco/Rothlesberger have had as much success as any rookie qbs I Can remember -none of them were considered more pro ready than bradford. This entire argument seems like a bullshit one with no real end because it seems people are arguing shit that the other guys aren't

Well yeah, I wouldn't argue with that. Hell I'm a Steelers fan and all I heard about during the NFL draft was how Big Ben was going to ride the pine for 2-3 years and how Manning and especially Rivers were more ready to come in and succeed from day one. Ends up that Rivers is afforded the luxury of riding the pine for a couple of years, whereas Roethlisberger is forced into action the second game of the season because of injury and takes the league by storm winning 14 straight starts which will never come close to being broken by another rookie QB.

But the original post on this subject argued that Sam Bradford was the most pro ready QB since Peyton. He's the one that started this whole basis of defining some QBs more "pro ready" than others. If we're going to compare QBs who have entered the league compared to experience and familiarity with pro style systems, I'm going to argue that there have been many QBs who are more experienced and more familiar with NFL pro style systems than Bradford is.


No college QB is familiar with a NFL system or NFL reads because it's so much harder and more complicated in the NFL. That's why you really don't put a lot of emphasis on college systems OTHER than seeing if the QB during his time in college went through progressions, made reads and took snaps under center. What you look for in a QB is qualities that will make the translation easier like a quick release, pre-snap recognition, the ability to go through progressions and make reads, accuracy and maturity. That's what you look for. All this spread vs. pro style system bullshit is nothing more than generalized talk casual fans try to use as a basis for an argument because they have not seen enough of a player to make a personalized argument.

It's not bullshit. It's the truth. Spread style QBers have a tougher time adjusting to the NFL than pro style college systems. Aside from casual fans, that sentiment has been echoed by every analyst, GM, etc... Ive ever heard comment on it.

Originally posted by jamz
If you want to win WL in S17 you'll send jamz a lol gm.

What has changed from seasons past?

Originally posted by jrry32

No college QB is familiar with a NFL system or NFL reads because it's so much harder and more complicated in the NFL. That's why you really don't put a lot of emphasis on college systems OTHER than seeing if the QB during his time in college went through progressions, made reads and took snaps under center. What you look for in a QB is qualities that will make the translation easier like a quick release, pre-snap recognition, the ability to go through progressions and make reads, accuracy and maturity. That's what you look for. All this spread vs. pro style system bullshit is nothing more than generalized talk casual fans try to use as a basis for an argument because they have not seen enough of a player to make a personalized argument.

I've probably watched a good 8-9 games Sam Bradford has played in, highlights of several more.

Pre-snap recognition? You mean like Bradford faking a hike to see how the defense reacts, then looking back towards the sidelines so his coaching staff can tell him whether to change the play or not and what kind of coverage he is facing? Yeah, that happens a lot in the NFL.

You do understand that's the system Oklahoma runs, right? Bradford has NO experience of how to read a defense before the snap, because his coaching staff at Oklahoma did that for him. His footwork under center is still unproven considering a vast majority of his passes come out of shotgun. He has an average arm. I hate his pocket presence and his accuracy falls apart when pressured or on the run. The OU system is built on receivers finding openings in zones and areas of the field and doesn't ask their QB to anticipate guys breaking open.

You are DEAD wrong about this. Like Bradford as a prospect or not, but arguing he's the most pro ready prospect in the last DECADE (which is what you have done here) is flat out wrong. If anyone needs to leave this thread, it's you.

tb, you are missing his logic


if you dont agree with him, you are dumb.

Originally posted by GP1
Originally posted by jrry32

Originally posted by tbsteel


Originally posted by Dpride59



Who have been the pro ready qbs since peyton manning tho? Eli? vick? VY? Thats the thing, there really hasn't been any "Pro ready qbs" and if manning was pro ready like 1-15 is pro ready then who the fucks want to be like that? So tough to say on qb's being pro ready IMO because Matt Ryan/Flacco/Rothlesberger have had as much success as any rookie qbs I Can remember -none of them were considered more pro ready than bradford. This entire argument seems like a bullshit one with no real end because it seems people are arguing shit that the other guys aren't

Well yeah, I wouldn't argue with that. Hell I'm a Steelers fan and all I heard about during the NFL draft was how Big Ben was going to ride the pine for 2-3 years and how Manning and especially Rivers were more ready to come in and succeed from day one. Ends up that Rivers is afforded the luxury of riding the pine for a couple of years, whereas Roethlisberger is forced into action the second game of the season because of injury and takes the league by storm winning 14 straight starts which will never come close to being broken by another rookie QB.

But the original post on this subject argued that Sam Bradford was the most pro ready QB since Peyton. He's the one that started this whole basis of defining some QBs more "pro ready" than others. If we're going to compare QBs who have entered the league compared to experience and familiarity with pro style systems, I'm going to argue that there have been many QBs who are more experienced and more familiar with NFL pro style systems than Bradford is.


No college QB is familiar with a NFL system or NFL reads because it's so much harder and more complicated in the NFL. That's why you really don't put a lot of emphasis on college systems OTHER than seeing if the QB during his time in college went through progressions, made reads and took snaps under center. What you look for in a QB is qualities that will make the translation easier like a quick release, pre-snap recognition, the ability to go through progressions and make reads, accuracy and maturity. That's what you look for. All this spread vs. pro style system bullshit is nothing more than generalized talk casual fans try to use as a basis for an argument because they have not seen enough of a player to make a personalized argument.

It's not bullshit. It's the truth. Spread style QBers have a tougher time adjusting to the NFL than pro style college systems. Aside from casual fans, that sentiment has been echoed by every analyst, GM, etc... Ive ever heard comment on it.

See you're generalizing, the process to adjust is harder for spread QBs because in MOST spreads they don't take many snaps under center, don't go through progressions and don't make reads. That's not true of Oklahoma. However, using their college system as a sole basis of how they will adjust is not a good idea and I am sure any analyst/GM/scout would agree. The problem that certain spreads cause(like Florida's) is because QBs don't go through progressions and don't make reads, they are harder to accurately judge and project. Oklahoma's offense is not a true spread though. They did use progressions and Bradford did have to make some reads. Albeit, not as many as a QB in a true Pro Style offense would make but they all have their work cut out for them because the NFL system is so much more complicated and faster. However, Bradford has a skillset that screams Pro ready unlike many of the recent top picks, he is not rated so highly because of his arm strength(potential) but because of his accuracy and release. That's what is going to make the difference especially in the Rams offense.

Originally posted by Dpride59
Originally posted by jamz

If you want to win WL in S17 you'll send jamz a lol gm.

What has changed from seasons past?

They cured my AIDs.

Originally posted by jamz
They cured my AIDs.

do tell. i need this.

Originally posted by jamz
Originally posted by Dpride59

Originally posted by jamz


If you want to win WL in S17 you'll send jamz a lol gm.

What has changed from seasons past?

They cured my AIDs.

Maybe they just told you that to ease your pain?