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Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by r87
Well catallus of course they have a right to post whatever they want in CPL, especially if they actually have a team or player there. However, when they (lookin at u FLgator) proceed to troll threads demanding that people stop dropping the F-bomb...well that right there is crossing the line sir.
i only really saw FLgators big post... if he was trolling, then that's a different matter.
i might be missing some of the timeline, but that doesn't erode my suspicion that most of the people that later end up being enraged didn't start off being congenial.
further, most of the resultant rage stems from "victims" trying to respond in kind. because of the asymmetry involved, they can never get nasty enough... and when later they're the one who gets banned, it's completely confusing to them.
That's the stigma, sure, but it's really not that accurate.

which part is the stigma?

I'll agree with you on that point, but I'll use the generic 'discretion' as my defense.

When you have this many mods, maintaining consistency can be difficult and Pallow is working on some project to help stabilize that.

---------- Original message ----------
From: Azure Dreams
Date: Jun 13, 2009 02:00:54
Subject: Re: Just so you know
To: Norsemanvike

Don't get me wrong, I don't think that was a good thread or anything, I'm just saying the rule you cited is nonexistent.

---------- Original message ----------
From: Norsemanvike
Date: Jun 13, 2009 01:59:43
Subject: Re: Just so you know
To: Azure Dreams

Depends on your point of view, but still, if you're going to complain, at least put some effort into making it constructive. We're more willing to work with someone taking that attitude instead of just dealing with mod hate.

---------- Original message ----------
From: Azure Dreams
Date: Jun 13, 2009 01:56:11
Subject: Just so you know
To: Norsemanvike

Mod bashing isn't against the rules.

Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Serenity

part of the issue is that many outside mods are reluctant to acquiesce to any point of view that differentiates from their own which is the type of modding that causes the most problems.

If you're reasonable and smart enough, you can get along fine with cpl. I mean back when I was a mod, at first a lot of CPL posters didn't like me, but that changed due to the fact that I wasn't a complete idiotic douchebag

true... but that process works both ways.

punishment needs to have a specific purpose... throwing the book at people just to legitimize one's authority is obviously a bad way to go. so i agree with mods getting to know people a bit better before they start flexing their muscle.

however, the policy of having police officers live in the communities they police has turned out to be a mixed bag. while police brutality goes down, corruption goes up. and i'm not talking about bribery/etc, i'm talking about soft corruption... where rules aren't strictly enforced because you're now in a situation where the officer is supposed to be policing their friends.

so there's still a tricky fine line there... especially if a mod doesn't differentiate themselves from other users and behave similarly. i'm not saying that's necessarily wrong, but you have to admit that looks very wrong/corrupt to certain people.

I will indeed admit this.

Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by r87

Catullus; you can't honestly believe that FLGator's thread was in any way innocent. It was a slap in the face to CPL, and to the mods who work the corner there. It's sole intent was to cause discord in CPL (and through this, get ppl banned and achieve his goal), as I cannot believe FLGator is so retarded as to do something like that without a purpose. He knew this, and quoted the rules. When the inevitable shit-storm followed, non-CPL mods were contacted (most likely on purpose).

well, despite the fact that i apparently don't have the full story, i still have a different interpretation of that thread.

at a minimum, he went out of his way to make things textually fair, even if everyone already knew the context. pigeon-holing people into how they were when you first met them probably isn't fair either.

further, even if we dismiss FLgator the person, there's still something to his argument... and we shouldn't pretend that others won't just troop along and repeat that process in the future.

He continues to point out every little insult, while he himself insults the person, and the forum.

Originally posted by r87
Catallus - this was Roctronic's first post in CPL. Nearly two weeks before he was even promoted.
Originally posted by Roctronic
So the idiots in CPL strike once again. Note to the GLB world, when you get an offer from a PMSing owner/agent *cough Untouchable* * cough gart* *he hmm* just do yourself a giant favor and delete it. Chances are its bullshit from one of the idiotic trolls in CPL.

If you decide to open it up, then the idiots behind it will either flame you or for once in their lives, ya its what normal people do...kinda crazy for the tolls eh?, just accept the fact that their team will never holster the your player (in this case the best QB in the game).

How the Beans aren't 12-0 at this point shows how great of a coordinator SI is.

Oh and Gart, go make us all proud and gut that squad of exploded dreams. You ain't getting anywhere with what you have, or what you "can" acquire. Remember, just saying I think I can, I think I can over and over like the Energizer Bunny doesnt work.

*sigh*... awesome. never mind then.

although i'm curious how he got to that point, considering he obviously didn't conjure all that up out of a vacuum.

No Deathblade. You see, he is 'stating facts in a respectful manner' (obv paraphrased), so that makes it ok.

Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by r87

Catallus - this was Roctronic's first post in CPL. Nearly two weeks before he was even promoted.
Originally posted by Roctronic

So the idiots in CPL strike once again. Note to the GLB world, when you get an offer from a PMSing owner/agent *cough Untouchable* * cough gart* *he hmm* just do yourself a giant favor and delete it. Chances are its bullshit from one of the idiotic trolls in CPL.

If you decide to open it up, then the idiots behind it will either flame you or for once in their lives, ya its what normal people do...kinda crazy for the tolls eh?, just accept the fact that their team will never holster the your player (in this case the best QB in the game).

How the Beans aren't 12-0 at this point shows how great of a coordinator SI is.

Oh and Gart, go make us all proud and gut that squad of exploded dreams. You ain't getting anywhere with what you have, or what you "can" acquire. Remember, just saying I think I can, I think I can over and over like the Energizer Bunny doesnt work.

*sigh*... awesome. never mind then.

although i'm curious how he got to that point, considering he obviously didn't conjure all that up out of a vacuum.

This is indeed what I was referring to. When you come in with that attitude, you're gonna get F'd in the A and that's okay imo.

Also, when you get a chance (read; never) plz refer to my other thread in this forum.

Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Deathblade

Originally posted by Catullus 16

at a minimum, i hope there's at least some empathy for the poor neophyte who doesn't have that much internet experience and just wants to enjoy the game they're paying for. i'm not sure it does them any favors to ruin their day... nor should that even be their fault.
The people who get ripped on are rarely "poor neophytes". To the first point, new players aren't in Pro leagues. Secondly, the people who DO get ripped on, are generally the people who think they are superior to everyone, morally, maturiy-wise, and at dotball.

i'm not going to stand in the way of you guys emotionally raping some asshole to the point of tears.

but you've got to admit that there are people in the pros that don't have as much internet experience as you guys... else why would they fall into your trap so speedily?

GLB forums are pretty much the first ones I've ever posted in, and I haven't fallen into any tarps since I started posting in CPL (cept when I advertised for coordinating before S6, oh gawd). It's pretty easy to not look like a fucking idiot.

Originally posted by Azure Dreams
You're just plain incorrect about roctronic, tbh.

This, emphatically.

Originally posted by Serenity
Originally posted by Catullus 16
and did roctronic use those exact words? and was that just the perception? and was that really his first post?
first thread
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=2750188&page=1
apart from untouchable really nothing breaking any rules (just a lot of not caring)
And then 2nd thread
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=2771352
Originally posted by Roctronic
I don't know what the shit you guys talk about in here. I am sure if I tried really hard, I would be able to get in on the joke. However, I cant and personally am way too lazy too.
I created a Private Forum....in which we will have GG's and all that stuff.
If you can be mature, PM me for an invite. Dead or not...its better than this.
Peace.
So really what happened is that he got upset CPL didn't care about his team getting to the pros and bitched about it

this looks to be later than the post r87 referenced, so apparently Roctronic isn't someone who learns lessons.

but regardless, this seems to be a case of someone who thought they knew how to talk smack, ran into a wall of CPL venom, and then turned into a bit of a sore loser.

so ignoring who is or isn't at fault, is this something that can be prevented? i guess not... although giving them a separate forum would at least contain them.

okay, i need to think about this.

Originally posted by Iceman16
Originally posted by Azure Dreams

You're just plain incorrect about roctronic, tbh.

This, emphatically.

Yea Catullus knows that now, it jsut took him a while to reach the evidence. He's been responding to every post that like five of us have been making. Quite a feat tbh

Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Azure Dreams
This is waht I've been saying. They ALREADY don't get shat upon.
not saying you're right or wrong, but i'm confident the GG crowd would adamantly disagree.
They'd be wrong. Most of this isn't even opinion, they empircially do not got insulted for it. They may not like the response it does get, but unless you think that means that we should be forced to care....

i think what's happening here is that what passes for a non-insult for most of the CPL is still very insulting for some.

consider "GTFO".

Originally posted by Catullus 16
i think what's happening here is that what passes for a non-insult for most of the CPL is still very insulting for some.

consider "GTFO".

Again, as has been said repeatedly...uptight douchebags who take the internet way too serious.

Refer to my threshold argument...it is impossible to please everyone unless you allow no negative talk at all.

Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Vando
The forum rules do not exist to be applied 100%, they exist so when a mod has to ban Random Dickhead #5352 they can shut them the fuck up by quoting the rules at them. Can we please stop discussing if CPL follows the rules because that is not what the rules are for.
good point... and this is precisely what happens in real-life, as well.
the only reason why i've been stressing the legal angle is to affirm that the GG crowd is indeed correct in their claim that the CPL routinely flouts the rules. yes, that's a completely irrelevant claim... but it's still true.
Certainly, but not nearly to the degree that they would have you believe or that the general perception suggests. No one has claimed otherwise, I don't think.

so wait... we're agreeing that the CPL "routinely flouts the rules"?

and then the counter-defense is that "everyone else is doing it"?