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deaconkole
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This is a very well-designed game, and it's strngth is in retaining its balance.

I happily bought some Flex Points, because it improves my character a bit, and it supports the site.

Like a lot of people in this thread, I skimmed after the first few pages. So if someone had this thought, I'm backing you up.

Maybe an option can be added where retired players can become coaches that can be signed by team owners. That way, your glorious gridiron legend has a legacy (in addition to the great Hall of Fame idea Bort mentioned). Maybe the coach can enhance team stats. Just a thought.

Even if my player was completely stripped away after 10 seasons, with no return, I'd keep playing. I'm not spending so much that I'm not getting my entertainment value out of it.
 
Finnen
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Worst rule ever.

Unlimited boosting sucks too, i mean can you boost 3 levels 10 seasons in a row? I surely hope i am misunderstanding this because that is just so silly and boring.

What happens after 10 seasons? how much and fast do you lose stat points? This really needs to be reconsidered... At least they have some time to do it!

Better just grab $1 from all players/season instead of this "the more you pay the better you'll be" stuff thats going on now.
 
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As someone with a fairly low-level player, I can only imagine someone coming into this game 2/3 years down the line. There'd be hundreds of D Leagues, thousands of players getting a handful of plays per game, scrapping for a spot on any human team and taking any offer that comes along.

Of course, there should be some sort of reward at the end of it (Hall of Fame perhaps), think of it as completing a game, getting the satisfaction that goes with it, then starting over again and doing things a different way.

Im sure the game could store your players and their achievments, so even when you're building a new, low-level player, everybody still knows who you are and what you've already achieved.

Even if you spent $100 (which I think is a bit excessive for a game anyway), thats about £50 for me in the UK I think, and thats how much one XBox 360 game would cost. It isn't a rip-off IMO, and I think people need to see that there is a need for equal opportunuty in a game like this, otherwise it will just get boring.

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maelstrom5292
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I know that every single point of view has been mercilessly beaten into this thread (and yes, I actually did read all 14 pages of it), but I figured I'd offer my own view on this.

First of all, I do not have PayPal. I wish I did, and if I did, you can guarantee I'd have already spent loads of money on this site. But I do not, so with that in mind, I really don't mind having forced retirement. I know someone's been offended by that statement, but picture it like this: Why should you bother trying to upgrade? Simple, because in real life, players retire, players die. Why not here? Emmitt Smith isn't still running through D-Lines. Dan Marino isn't still breaking passing records. You don't see that, because they got older, and when they felt as if they could play no more, they retired, which offered younger players a chance to compare themselves with their predecessors. The same applies to this site. If we have the same players running around killing their competition season after season, then no one is given a chance to shine, and eventually, everyone will lose interest. No more new players will join, and the older players will become tired and bored with the game.

The Hall of Fame is what everyone in the NFL aspires to. They don't aspire to live forever, because it's not a realistic goal. Why should this be a realistic goal for GLB? The Hall of Fame here should document what your players did during their time that made them shine. That alone should be an honor, to try and follow once more in your older player's footsteps and join him in greatness.

Perhaps if the players who made the ultimate goal of reaching the Hall of Fame could receive a reward (not very original in this thread), such as an upgraded second player, a discount off their next purchase, or perhaps a new Ferrari (just kidding about the last one). But, if the rewards of the Hall of Fame are great, then the players who occupy it must also be great, to justify their legacy. I would propose maybe 100 players at the most who have played at least 5 seasons and are active, and clearly define how to best play at their respective positions.

I'm sorry if this wastes anyone's life, but I hope someone considers this. I do not wish to promote a fight or any argument, but I just felt that I should give another opinion to consider (not that it matters much). Also, one last reason I support the forced retirement is that I have an extremely short attention span, so I want to pick different positions all the time (unfortunately as stated before, I am not able to perform this). In Madden NFL 08, I have at least 20 NFL Superstars, and only 2 of them are past their rookie year (one's managed to make it to his 3rd year!). But enough about Madden, let's hear who I've insulted.
 
Rezlov
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I have not read much of this thread BUT......

If we players can stay in the game so long that we are forced to retire, I think it is only fair we get 100% of our FP back.
 
tennyis
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Not sure if this has been mentioned or not but the one problem I see with it is that once my guy gets to be 6-7 years in, I am not putting another cent into flex points since he will retire soon. Maybe you can come up wtih some way that flex points spent within the past 2 seasons you get 100% back, 5 seasons you get 90% back and so on, something like that?
 
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Originally posted by SlyLoK
Originally posted by DigitalDaggers

when you retire you get 100% of the creation cost and 70% of FP spent on that player back.


If its forced retirement it should be 100% FP.. Otherwise its just a scam.


Have you ever run a business? Nevermind, I already know the answer.
 
DR1C3
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100% back after retirement is a stretch, but I think that if the agent of the player is active from creation to retirement, then gaining the FP you spent an allocating it to other players you have is pretty fair. You can still only boost 3 times per season, so it isnt like 100% back means you'll have a juggernaut second-time around player, it means you'll be just as good as the next new guy whose boosting.

But just to play devils advocate and justify both sides of the argument, after 10 seasons, assuming you boosted all three times in those 10 years, glam. position players will return 6,300 FP to the agent. Thats a lot if you consider A) Its almost a life-time for a defensive player and B) Most agents will have numerous players, so its FP they dont have to pay for to upgrade those players.

In the end, however, I think that the FP's are yours if you buy them, but I understand the business end. Maybe a higher number than 70% or 3 free boosts would be a fair comprimise.
 
McChazem
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Why is everyone complaining? The way i see it 10 dollars a season is enough to boost 2 players a season. That is 5 dollars less than WOW. And when my players eventually retire i get back 70% of the flex points i spent. With that much back i wont need to spend any money on new charachters for over a year.

There is no way this site is a scam by any means. You can play for free if you choose and still have a very good charachter.
 
cardfan
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OMG!! I just read every post for the past 14 pages!!!

I have been waiting for about 10 pages to say this...Jeff Garcia being as good now as he was in San Fran, is the same as the Pinto(exploding death trap), being as good a car now as it was in the 70's!

Football players retire! it is a fact of life.

Hall of Fame is a great idea. Maybe make it a top 2% to 5% at position with an 8 year min. If you make the HOF, then you get a 100% return on "Investment".

Diminishing skills and levels seem to be the path to retirement, same as in the real game.

I'm sure you could do some statistical mumbo jumbo that can secretly predetermine a players length of career. Some positions last longer, some people last longer.

Nobody really mentioned injuries!! There coming!! If you can be injured for 4-6 weeks, you can certainly be injured for life. If that were to happen before you reached you "Peak", then maybe a 100% "Return" would be in order as well.

I also like the idea of a bonus custom equipment for retiring after your "Peak" being tied to your account. It would be a nice addition to an existing player or a good piece to start a new one with.

I don't think a player should be "Forced" to retire, but making it hard to find a team to play on, as in real life, thus making them "Inactive", is the route to go.

If a player is "Inactive", as in not on a team, for 2 or 3 seasons, then they will be retired and they will receive the preset "Kickback", 70% isn't unreasonable.

If they can find a sucker that will play and pay them with there ever decreasing abilities, then more power to them. By still playing, it could be the factor that gets them into the HOF, and in return gets them the 100% back.

Food for thought.

Bort and Digs....Great game so far. Not in one, but love the D-Leagues!!!

p.s. I have payed for flex points a few times, and if it helps to keep the game going, so be it. When I don't want to pay I don't have to.
 
J Hennessy
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All the people moaning and groaning about only getting 70% is nothing but a crybaby. This is a game inwhich many people have to put their time and money into creating it. it is just like anything you buy. A cell phone for example. When you get a phone after 2 years you can get a new one for a much smaller fee than what it normally cost. Same thing goes here. When your player is retired you get back plenty of points to create your new player at a high level.

How exactly do you expect these people to make money? this is their business and it is how they choose to earn a living. for every 300 you put in you get 210 back for your new player. Hell if you figure it for every 300 you spend you lose 70 cents. how can you complain about that. You lose 2.10 a season that you wont get a return on. after 10 season of PLAYING you lose 21.00 Are you telling me this game isnt worth 21.00? every other dime you put in gets returned to you. I wish I could live in the fairytale world where you can have fun and enjoy a game for free. Who cares about the time and effort that other people put into making this game work. They should do it for free right? You are crazy
 
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Originally posted by cardfan

Nobody really mentioned injuries!! There coming!! If you can be injured for 4-6 weeks, you can certainly be injured for life. If that were to happen before you reached you "Peak", then maybe a 100% "Return" would be in order as well.


Good post overall.

However as far as the injuries go, they won't last longer than a period of in game time. No half season injuries.

At most, you might get a guy who "injures" his leg in the first quarter and takes a hit on his abilities for the rest of that particular game.

And I'm not sure when this is coming.
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Dinien
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How long do people really think they are planning on playing one player? If I invest some money into a QB and play the guy for a whole year, I got my money's worth and entertainment value out of it. If I in turn get some of that money back and can reinvest...........Are people really that concerned? I will say this, If 90% of people never have the opportunity to be the top teir players because they didn't start soon enough, the game will barely last a year anyhow. It's this goal of making it to the top that'll keep it going.
 
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Originally posted by Bort
I don't know where DD got the 70% for forced retirement from - we had discussed something higher than that before, since it's forced on you, but that has nothing to do with my next point.

Forget the FP-related stuff for a moment, and look at it from the perspective of a new user.

If you were to sign up in 10 seasons, and there were a bunch of guys at level 50 or whatever, and you knew that they would never ever retire, and you could never ever catch them because they will just keep getting better and better, don't you think that would suck too? Would you want to play the game at that point? You'd probably just give up, thinking "I can never achieve greatness because everyone will always be better."

However, if the players get old, they retire, and they go to the hall of fame, with their name forever immortalized, then you would know that you would have the chance to reach that glory too. There's suddenly an end goal in the game of football immortality, instead of a never ending chase after something you can't catch. That sounds like a lot more fun to me.

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As for those of you who think we are just in this to "rip you off" or get rich or whatever, you are way off base, and it really hurts me to hear that.

We created this game, in our spare time, while working full time day jobs, because we thought it would be fun. We love football. We love community web games. We're just two regular guys, not some faceless greedy corporation, and we're glad to offer this game to the world, for free.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Our goal when we started the site: at least break even so we can keep the thing running. If we can make it a full time gig, great. If not, we'll do the best we can to keep it going and keep improving it.

I have poured my heart and soul into this game non-stop for the last 7 months, without gaining a single cent until 12 days ago. I've put in 16-20 hour days many many times (today is one of them) during the development of this site because I enjoy working on the game, and I want this to be a fun thing for the masses, not because I want to rip you off.

If you don't think my time and effort is worth paying for, then don't pay for it. It's your choice, and I respect that. Just please don't call me greedy, because I am far from it.


very well said, bort. i think the idea of getting all of your fp back or continuing your character on forever is in itself greedy. there should be a cost involved in playing your character, leveling, boosting, customizing, etc...why would someone buy a product, use the product, and then expect to get a 100% rebate after over a year and a half's use? this makes no sense to me.

to those who made the W.o.W. comaprison, i say you are not looking at it objectively. i play city of heroes/villains so i will use that as a basis for comparison. you are not forced to retire your player, but there IS a maximum level. there are things you can do w/ your max level chars, but most people just go and create a new one. there are limits to how many character slots you are allowed as well. once you reach the limit, you are required to purchase more if you want to continue w/ a new char on that server. also, don't forget the monthly fee. i pay 14.99/month to play that game whether i log in 0 or a million times.

i just think it's reasonable to expect diminished returns on a product you are cashing in after a year and a half's use. there is no such thing as a free lunch in this world people.

 
Killian
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heres my take on the thing

i work in an electical store and the day and hour that a customer comes back asking for some of his money back after hes had a tv for seven years and its got old and he wants to replace it will be the day i go to jail for Killing a customer!!!!

 
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