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OrigJoker
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Originally posted by MizzouDizzle2


Full disclosure I don't love Twitter as a new source. You absolutely can be exposed to bogus/factually incorrect news. 100% won't debate that for a second.


This is why vetting & critical thinking are important. Most people don't have the patience to fully vet what they are reading so they just take it at face value especially if it's from a seemingly trustworthy source. I look at it like a courtroom, If you have a witness on the stand that lies 2-3 times and gets caught in them they are no longer a reliable witness. Same goes for media sources....If you can't spot the lies in the national media on either side, You are one of the sheep they feed on.
 
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Originally posted by OrigJoker
This is why vetting & critical thinking are important. Most people don't have the patience to fully vet what they are reading so they just take it at face value especially if it's from a seemingly trustworthy source. I look at it like a courtroom, If you have a witness on the stand that lies 2-3 times and gets caught in them they are no longer a reliable witness. Same goes for media sources....If you can't spot the lies in the national media on either side, You are one of the sheep they feed on.


100% agree

 
Daedalus
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Originally posted by OrigJoker
This is why vetting & critical thinking are important. Most people don't have the patience to fully vet what they are reading so they just take it at face value especially if it's from a seemingly trustworthy source. I look at it like a courtroom, If you have a witness on the stand that lies 2-3 times and gets caught in them they are no longer a reliable witness. Same goes for media sources....If you can't spot the lies in the national media on either side, You are one of the sheep they feed on.


100% agree also. Yet somehow this comment currently has 2 thumbs down on it? Lol. Would love the counterargument from those 2.
 
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Vetting information sources is something this country has a tough time doing. My Facebook feed is full of memes spouting the most insane shit and people just lap it up, no questions asked. The one of barron trump singing on american idol was especially absurd. People were commenting Amen what a beautiful voice! Praise the Lord! Not one person asked if he was really on the show.
 
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Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader
You realize Trump *Won* with those suits, correct? One way for media to stay out of court might include following the law.


They were pretty weak suits, he would not have won in court but that was never the purpose anyway. The one with cnn was settled which i wouldn't have done but they probably figured if they didn't they would get relentlessly attacked by the doj. Zuckerberg did away with fact checking once he realized trump was going to be president, again to avoid further attacks. Although I'm sure zucks was more than happy to not have to worry about it anymore. All the news anchors fired without cause is pretty disturbing, everyone just wants to avoid the narcissist. Narcissists always hold grudges, they never forget.

 
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Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader
Which "fascist dictators" actively sought to dismantle the Federal government?


all of them, how do you think they got total control? They dismantled it and replaced it with a new one full of sycophants, exactly what trump is doing. Trump isn't some revolutionary genius, this has happened throughout history all over the world. I just never thought it would happen here.
 
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Originally posted by OrigJoker
He wants to give FEMA power to the states....He actually talked about it at length a couple weeks ago. Education also so far.

He is a narcissist, has been his whole life. He also was handed millions and a ton of power (in NY) at a young age so that's usually how they end up. He does seem to have grown up a bit in the last few years. He is slightly more tolerable now but prob more just because of his age.

All DOGE is doing is downsizing and cleaning up this ridiculously overbearing government. We are massive and terribly inefficient...Show me any government agency at the federal level that runs efficiently. The smaller it is the better imo.


This may be the one issue I am open to altering my opinion on. I was in the military for a long time and worked with civilian government employees and I did not care for most of them. I witnessed a lot of laziness and incompetence. They did not seem to care if they did their job well, they couldn't get fired for shit. I work in healthcare now and I absolutely hate dealing with the VA. I literally select the suicide hotline option when I call because that is the only way to reach a person. Then I make them transfer me to someone. I just have huge concerns with Elon seemingly having no oversight, I simply do not trust him. There are a lot of conflicts of interest throughout trump's cabinet. They make all these claims yet never show us the evidence. They need to be more transparent.

 
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Originally posted by ewinter43
I just have huge concerns with Elon seemingly having no oversight, I simply do not trust him. There are a lot of conflicts of interest throughout trump's cabinet. They make all these claims yet never show us the evidence. They need to be more transparent.



We're barely 30 days in. I laugh at the people who say things like "Why aren't eggs cheaper yet?". Well, because it might take just a minute to fix some things Do we want *immediate* results, or would we prefer fundamental changes that make things better long-term? And by the way, Elon has plenty of oversight--he can't "slash" anything--all he can do is make recommendations to those who hold the duly-appointed offices Elon can't call any (Federal) bank and order "Stop that wire"...but he can call people who *are* lawfully allowed to make that order.

Edited by Larry Roadgrader on Feb 28, 2025 20:49:16
 
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Originally posted by ewinter43
. All the news anchors fired without cause is pretty disturbing, everyone just wants to avoid the narcissist. Narcissists always hold grudges, they never forget.


Trump doesn't run CNN or MSNBC or any other "news" network. Have you checked the comparative ratings of the anchors that were fired? Also, don't forget, this is a free country. If a GREAT anchor was fired, three other networks would immediately offer them starring roles on THEIR network.
 
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Originally posted by Daedalus
100% agree also. Yet somehow this comment currently has 2 thumbs down on it? Lol. Would love the counterargument from those 2.


You won't get one. I could post that "the sun was out here today" and I'll get a couple of down-votes to that post.
 
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Originally posted by ewinter43
all of them, how do you think they got total control? They dismantled it and replaced it with a new one full of sycophants, exactly what trump is doing. Trump isn't some revolutionary genius, this has happened throughout history all over the world. I just never thought it would happen here.


I've just got to ask, how does LESS Federal spending help Trump build up this supposedly "terrible fascist state" (my words, not yours)? You think there's an endless supply of "fascists" that are just jonesing to work for free?
 
OrigJoker
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Originally posted by ewinter43
I just have huge concerns with Elon seemingly having no oversight, I simply do not trust him. There are a lot of conflicts of interest throughout trump's cabinet. They make all these claims yet never show us the evidence. They need to be more transparent.


He has oversight, DOGE works with the higher ups in each of these departments to do what they are doing. I'm not sure why he would be untrustworthy to anyone if you have ever listened to him for a while. I get why lefties don't like him but anyone else has nothing to worry about. They aren't there trying to access personal info they are looking for money and where it went and is going in the future to decide if it's worthwhile. Trump said he is the one that tells Elon where to go next also.

Not saying something couldn't happen but I'm hardly worried about it. I have far more concern about the 2 trillion the government steals from us every year to hand out to their pals. usaid gets .3% of the budget and blew a few hundred million by itself. Can't wait to see the military/pentagon get shit on.

I have wanted a full government reset for over 30 years and this will for sure be the closest thing we will see to it. It's not the same thing but at least it's a start.
 
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Originally posted by ewinter43
Vetting information sources is something this country has a tough time doing. My Facebook feed is full of memes spouting the most insane shit and people just lap it up, no questions asked. The one of barron trump singing on american idol was especially absurd. People were commenting Amen what a beautiful voice! Praise the Lord! Not one person asked if he was really on the show.


But that's beautiful! Isn't it better that the crazy people be allowed to self-identity, and thus be shouted down, rather than slapped with bans and charges and ZERO productive discussions allowed about their topic?

Free speech is the bedrock of any society that wants to be *great*. Everyone gets to say what they want, and then we all get to decide "Gee, that was enlightening" OR "Gee, that was stupid". But everyone gets to move on with their day, one way or the other.

Free speech used to be a bedrock principle of classic liberalism:

"We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people."

John F. Kennedy, President, 1962
 
MontaviousX
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https://imgur.com/lxsDWJ6

https://i.imgur.com/FtRRJUv.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/cNvhqVH.jpeg

Isn’t ANY of this throwing red flags?
 
OrigJoker
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Originally posted by MontaviousX
https://imgur.com/lxsDWJ6

https://i.imgur.com/FtRRJUv.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/cNvhqVH.jpeg

Isn’t ANY of this throwing red flags?


Nope, don't care at all. Elon has to deal with a lot of different gov't agencies because of what he does. If he was allowed to change regulations/rules that would be different.

Is it any different than Biden giving Soros an award for paying millions to get dems elected?

Congresspeople that are worth 50+M doing whatever the fuck they want...

I am 100% sure that Elon/Trump are going to do things that benefit them, Just like every politician/businessman would and does when they have the power to do so. I also know though that Elon makes sense every time I hear him talk, He is odd and definitely has his quirks but he seems to have a fairly realistic outlook on things for being that wealthy at least comparatively speaking when I hear other super rich people talk.

The only concern I have is that they will deregulate too much and cause issues that could be avoided but right now it's a risk I'm willing to take to get out of debt as a country and get this shit back on track.
 
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