Warrior General Games

Originally posted by ThePh33P
any chance spins "spin" speed its visually a little slow currently

Link?
https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/761188/16827

That's the first play of yours I found, and it seems to be fine.

Originally posted by Corndog
The is unfortunately about all we have to make changes based on. Several threads that season had popped up or been derailed about how Juke is suddenly broken after not being touched for 6 years. That had been the a pretty common complaint I read with no noted disagreements.

But like, I'm not blaming anyone. I'm just saying people shouldn't watch one sim right after the changes and lock into any inconsistencies they see that game as the new rule.

We don't randomly make a bunch of changes and then not post about them. What would be the point?

Sometimes changing one thing breaks another in an unforeseeable/unforeseen way, I'm just posting about what I saw and even prefaced it by saying it was a small sample size.

The blocking seems to have been an anomaly of small sample size - but broken tackles on HBs does seem to be down a bit, but until league games start it again just may be small sample size still plaguing results.

Originally posted by Raid
It was something that had cropped up recently, was just pointing out the issue.

It literally had not been happening like that for many seasons, then suddenly it was a little off.

The expectation of a Juke isn't to get you out of every problem, but in the cases I posted and what people were a little upset about is juke was getting you into trouble now. The backs could have run away from those situations by just running, and instead jukes toward the defender.


I make a post, one or two guys agrees with me, and it gets absolutely neutered over it. Cutting down activation opportunities to nearly nothing to stop the 1-2 times a game it was doing it at inappropriate times is like dismantling a bicycle and making a unicycle because the customer complained of a squeaky wheel.



Blame me though.

But as Corndog had said they hadn't touched Juke for numerous seasons. So it wasn't like something had been changed. You just happened to hyperfocus on a few examples. The vast majority of time Juke was great. And any expectation of it firing exactly how you want without few variations isn't realistic.

But yeah why the developers chose this specific complaint to focus their efforts on is confusing. Instead of focusing their efforts on something mass users are commenting on they chose to focus their efforts on something one person said and people didn't flock to debate it.

Originally posted by Makaveli81
But as Corndog had said they hadn't touched Juke for numerous seasons. So it wasn't like something had been changed. You just happened to hyperfocus on a few examples. The vast majority of time Juke was great. And any expectation of it firing exactly how you want without few variations isn't realistic.

But yeah why the developers chose this specific complaint to focus their efforts on is confusing. Instead of focusing their efforts on something mass users are commenting on they chose to focus their efforts on something one person said and people didn't flock to debate it.







And what I'm saying is that literally, I was not the only person to notice something else had changed that effected it somehow in certain situations. HBs weren't juking directly at defenders before that point. We weren't saying it was horribly broken and worthless, though we HAVE been saying that since the nerf - which is why they gave it a boost this season again.

Originally posted by Corndog
Link?
https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/761188/16827

That's the first play of yours I found, and it seems to be fine.

https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/761208/20161?player_id=327408

like its not alot theres a wind up and spin but it just looks slower than you would expect. i am also remembering old juke was really fast and explosive but spin feels a little flat. i love the stun effect but it feels slower than you would expect from an elusive back.

https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/761223/22827

both spin and juke have this small "windup" the goes in the opposite direction of the spinning direction any way to make that small enough to not go out of bounds so often with it?


https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/761223/24187

Also anyway spin doesent turn HB into pinballs lol?

Originally posted by dredgar
Oh my god, you have to run multiple plays now lol. There is no doubt there were major issues with PA. They are still good plays but are not supposed to work 60% of the time and especially not when teams would just run them 3-5times without another type of play in between.

Yeah..

Multiple plays of PA

Cover Expert has proven better than swat down imo so far, and having it work in zone is really going to wreck vertical offenses that take advantage of slow over the top help.

It’s me, I’m the vertical lover.

Originally posted by TyDavis315
Cover Expert has proven better than swat down imo so far, and having it work in zone is really going to wreck vertical offenses that take advantage of slow over the top help.

It’s me, I’m the vertical lover.



Cover Expert requires Cover Tech to work and you do not use Cover Tech in Zone, Ty. Unless it fires so easy you can just put a minimal amount of points into Cover Tech, you can't afford to try this.

Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
Cover Expert requires Cover Tech to work and you do not use Cover Tech in Zone, Ty. Unless it fires so easy you can just put a minimal amount of points into Cover Tech, you can't afford to try this.

I mean, SS might have some cover tech anyhow to help against TEs.

Originally posted by Raid
I mean, SS might have some cover tech anyhow to help against TEs.

Cover Tech never get's used in Zone. It's a skill that comes in play if you are in Man Coverage only. Zone players drop into their home spot then react to the ball once they make their awareness check:

https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/318379
https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/318201

No Targets, no receptions allowed.

Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
Cover Tech never get's used in Zone. It's a skill that comes in play if you are in Man Coverage only. Zone players drop into their home spot then react to the ball once they make their awareness check:

https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/318379
https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/318201

No Targets, no receptions allowed.

Sorry but this incorrect. Dream Team use Cover Expert & zone often during it's last Vet run. You put Cov Tech into players to proc SAs. It's why RBs are more powerful than QBs, they actually have SAs based on their major skills.

Watch how many Dream players are firing Cover Expert in zone all game long. https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/714936/1078219

Originally posted by BoDiddley
Sorry but this incorrect. Dream Team use Cover Expert & zone often during it's last Vet run. You put Cov Tech into players to proc SAs. It's why RBs are more powerful than QBs, they actually have SAs based on their major skills.

Watch how many Dream players are firing Cover Expert in zone all game long. https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/714936/1078219

Well, hot damn, I didn't know this...

How much CT did you use to get this to fire so often?

I thought I explained that... You really don't need that much for it to fire too, especially at gold

Originally posted by o The Boss x
I thought I explained that... You really don't need that much for it to fire too, especially at gold

Eh, I might have missed it in my haste or just failed to accept it until I saw it... like how much is needed? 25?