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Originally posted by TxSteve
there should be no 'legacy' in the game that gives you a 5 game cushion at #1 just because you've paid for your team and done well in past season

I 100% agree

an early loss (yea even one or two) should drop me a few spots, but IMO there should always be SOME kind of preseason weight in rankings. As much as people downvoted and gave me crap for the "owners poll", it was the most accurate top 10 rankings last season.

Originally posted by TDiddy8701
I would bet my top 10 would be much different than what what GLB2 thinks the top 10 is.

So you are saying your top 10 on paper won't be the best records at the end of the season?

Originally posted by bhall43
So you are saying your top 10 on paper won't be the best records at the end of the season?

exactly...

Marshall and Boise St. were not a top 5-10ish teams last season... pre-season rankings made sure that didn't happen. There are some significant benefits to pre-season weight in rankings.

Originally posted by TDiddy8701
exactly...

Marshall was not a top 5-10 team last season, pre-season rankings made sure that didn't happen

Marshall didn't play anyone though. You are making an incredibly stupid argument here.

you said top records... my counter was SoS, and pre-season rankings... they have value. Imagine a FBS ELO total reset where no team had any value over another next season, do you REALLY think the same teams would be at the top?

my vote is no

there's a VERY good chance some ladder matchups, even mid season, will be totally out of whack with the reset. Teams will not end up where they should but I guess time will tell.

Originally posted by TDiddy8701
you said top records... my counter was SoS, and pre-season rankings... they have value. Imagine a FBS ELO total reset where no team had any value over another next season, do you REALLY think the same teams would be at the top?

my vote is no

If they all had to play each other? Probably pretty close.

What do you mean your counter is SoS? I don't get it.

Originally posted by peeti
Originally posted by peeti

Again...
-Why further increase K Value if you did reset?
-Why hold on to the stupid chem penalty?



Why not boost your player career? Some things we just gotta shake our heads in shame about.

Tdiddy, whens the last time you were heavily involved in a rookie team? I think you've got a grossly different idea of what happens with the rookie ladder and rankings.

Early season wins are nice but don't matter as much as late season wins. Early season losses are easily overcome. Climbing the ladder isn't a slog.

I think the old system was broke and haven't seen any argument for keeping it. The new one needs a season before I can give judgement but I do believe that overall ladder is pointless if we are going with a seasonal reset as tier ranking is essentially all you need in that system.

Originally posted by Stobie
I think the old system was broke and haven't seen any argument for keeping it. The new one needs a season before I can give judgement but I do believe that overall ladder is pointless if we are going with a seasonal reset as tier ranking is essentially all you need in that system.

which got me to thinking, this is probably going to help with the "seasoned vs pro" shenanigans. The worst you should see is a single tier up or down until maybe veeeeery late in a season, depending on how greatly different each tier's consolidated "average" starting elo point is.

Of course, you're right about the lack of need for an overall ladder, and perhaps also the lack of need for inter-tier matchups in the ladder goes with that. I don't know how i feel about the idea of possibly restricting matchups to only your own tier. It's probably a net positive idea though.

Will be interesting to see where the tiers really sit in terms of elo difference. Too close and it may really make the movement within your tier decently hard mid season.

The point of the ladder overall is to provide games of teams within your rank. So I think it still serves that purpose.

Originally posted by bhall43
The point of the ladder overall is to provide games of teams within your rank. So I think it still serves that purpose.

maybe. What's the point of #1 pro playing a #40 veteran now though?

They won't need it for "ladder climbing" purposes if they can expect a reset each season to line them out when they reach vet the next season.

Might as well just play intra-tier games and be the #1 team in pro against pro teams. There's much potential here for this change in ranking philosophy to clean up some of the "I'm seasoned, why am I playing pro teams?" gnashing of teeth that goes on each season.