Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Corndog
Being honest, the new trolling?

Maybe I misread your comments, and don't inject the proper sincere apple-cheeked tone into them

Because most of your snark comes across as "god I hate these fucking people"

Originally posted by haole
Maybe I misread your comments, and don't inject the proper sincere apple-cheeked tone into them

Because most of your snark comes across as "god I hate these fucking people"

Well, I hate everyone, but I don't hate anyone on a personal level. A debate with someone doesn't (or shouldn't) mean that you have ill will towards them. I legitimately have nothing against Novus, I just think it's more of a disservice to put on a fake smile and blow smoke up people's ass than it is to speak honestly.

Originally posted by Corndog
So tell me, what could possibly be done to make you decide to spend money after 4-5 years of not doing so? Have we not made drastic changes in the mean time?

Well I haven't gone 4-5 years without buying, just about 6 months now I suppose. However, it would go a long way with me if 1. The regular userbase wasn't trolled by Admin. You can claim whatever you want about telling the truth, but from this side of the monitor it sure seems like it. 2. Maybe bring Bort in to address some of these issues. We haven't had a Q&A since August. Him not being in the forums at all appears to be a general lack of interest, even if that isn't the case. 3. Address some of the Suggestions, good or bad. I'm not even sure of the last time a suggestion was added.

Sweeping changes don't need to be made. You seem to be under that impression though. Unless I see some interest shown from the Admins, and Bort, I will be riding my flex out like a lot of other people. I never minded buying it, it's cheap entertainment. However, I don't like feeling like I've wasted money on a product that it's own creators no longer care about.

Originally posted by Hazeee
Sweeping changes don't need to be made. You seem to be under that impression though.

That's generally because there's two arguments going on.

One argument is "GLB HAS SO MUCH POTENTIAL" and that we just need to advertise and it can be some kind of behemoth in the gaming industry. It would require massive, massive changes for that to happen.

The "showing we care" argument is kind of fickle and different between everyone, and everyone has their different ideas of what needs to be done, ranging from "fixing small bugs" to "shut down GLB2 immediately and apologize". I don't disagree that some minor changes to GLB1 would be nice, but we have a lot of crap on our plate and two people coding. We aren't EA, we don't have teams of developers and millions and millions of dollars to just throw everywhere.

Originally posted by Corndog
Except this is still Bort's baby, so I'd have to confirm everything with him.

Then I'd have to work my way through the giant mess of code that is GLB's sim code (that I've yet to touch since I've worked here).

New formations are a massive, massive undertaking. "Opening the DPC" could possibly be done, but then that's just going to bring back all of the "exploit" blitzes, so is that really going to change the game for the better?

I don't know that you would have to fully open the DPC up to exploit blitzing. You could at least let the players free roam outside their boxes.

Would the new formations be that massive of an undertaking? Seems like the last couple times formations or plays have been added into the game they were done up pretty quickly. Or do you just mean drawing up all the plays and what not for them?

If you opened up the restrictions on secondary and LB players for movement around the field and added maybe like Wishbone and Flex Bone to the playbook with some fresh new plays, I am not saying it would generate tons of new users, but it would make people think a little bit about the game.

The game might not be heading for greater days, but at the very least you can still keep us thinking a little.

Originally posted by Hazeee

Sweeping changes don't need to be made. You seem to be under that impression though.

If it isn't a large change what does it really matter? At this point I don't really see what pleasing a couple people with small changes does. You make a couple people happy, piss off a couple, and a ton that could care less.

A large change at least awakens some people to think a little bit. We have been playing the same sim for 10+ seasons now and it just is kinda boring people to death as gameplans are just being reused over and over and over.

Originally posted by Corndog
That's generally because there's two arguments going on.

One argument is "GLB HAS SO MUCH POTENTIAL" and that we just need to advertise and it can be some kind of behemoth in the gaming industry. It would require massive, massive changes for that to happen.

The "showing we care" argument is kind of fickle and different between everyone, and everyone has their different ideas of what needs to be done, ranging from "fixing small bugs" to "shut down GLB2 immediately and apologize". I don't disagree that some minor changes to GLB1 would be nice, but we have a lot of crap on our plate and two people coding. We aren't EA, we don't have teams of developers and millions and millions of dollars to just throw everywhere.

While I think it was pretty foolish to make another football sim, it's here. No reason to scrap that now, I'm sure there's someone interested in playing it. Even if I don't know anyone personally.

I totally understand the showing you care part though. Maybe I just view it differently than some. I'm not asking for major changes to the game, it's finally stable and enjoyable to play. Too bad some of the earlier users who left couldn't have been a bit more patient. I really don't understand why Bort doesn't make an occasional appearance around here though. Or Pallow, the userbase loves the guy, even if they are just picking on him. Remember when Mods played games and kept the forums active? Back when the main wasn't full of complaint threads? What happened to that side of GLB? The side where it at least appeared that those in power had some concern for the users?

Lead mods aren't coding, neither is Pallow, why aren't they doing stuff like that anymore?

Originally posted by Corndog
There's not much fun to be had, everything is already figured out, now it's just down to juggling between fractions of points for the top gamers.


I don'y usually post in these kind of threads because to be honest it doesn't seem like it would do any good. I'm not as well known as most of the people that post in these threads so I'm sure I don't carry as much weight as some of them (not a fat joke!!) but I do read them and follow the dialogue and how WG's handles themselves in these threads.

To me the part of your post that I quoted pretty much sums up all of these threads. You guys (WG's) have lost the excitement of the game of keeping it going. Have just lost interest in making it better for the people who still really like it even if it's just juggling between fractions of points!! You guys have a new toy and have completely discarded the old one to the back of the closet. GLB2 is exciting to you because it's new but all of the people that are still here should have some value in this game.

Just my opinion and you won't hear another word about it from me but like I said your quoted post told me everything I needed to know.

Originally posted by WINDY CITY SWEETNESS34
I don'y usually post in these kind of threads because to be honest it doesn't seem like it would do any good. I'm not as well known as most of the people that post in these threads so I'm sure I don't carry as much weight as some of them (not a fat joke!!) but I do read them and follow the dialogue and how WG's handles themselves in these threads.

To me the part of your post that I quoted pretty much sums up all of these threads. You guys (WG's) have lost the excitement of the game of keeping it going. Have just lost interest in making it better for the people who still really like it even if it's just juggling between fractions of points!! You guys have a new toy and have completely discarded the old one to the back of the closet. GLB2 is exciting to you because it's new but all of the people that are still here should have some value in this game.

Just my opinion and you won't hear another word about it from me but like I said your quoted post told me everything I needed to know.

Yes!! Everyone is absorbed in GLB fake 2. Can't get a response or a support ticket responded too in 7-10 days now.. Cornhole has 0 interest in glb and is only here to make a paycheck IMO. Catch at least worked his ass off and made the game better forcing the immature owners to do something!

Originally posted by Kelts
Yes!! Everyone is absorbed in GLB fake 2. Can't get a response or a support ticket responded too in 7-10 days now.. Cornhole has 0 interest in glb and is only here to make a paycheck IMO. Catch at least worked his ass off and made the game better forcing the immature owners to do something!

Ya I would guess that Corndog is spending his nights being a code monkey to earn a paycheck. Do you think he would be doing it for free?

"One argument is "GLB HAS SO MUCH POTENTIAL" and that we just need to advertise and it can be some kind of behemoth in the gaming industry. It would require massive, massive changes for that to happen."

The fact of the matter is the only reason we've been here this long is that it is the best real american football sim ever!! Can't you just realize this and work to help us help you instead of insisting we have to help you help you be better again with some shit version of the first one we help you create!!

Good lord! GLB would not have been so successful if it werent for others building scripts and relaying information to the owners. Are you really that stupid?

Originally posted by bhall43
Ya I would guess that Corndog is spending his nights being a code monkey to earn a paycheck. Do you think he would be doing it for free?

Ya stop trolling glb1 forums and go earn his pay. Thats what i would expect. I'm on a team with him in glb2 and hasnt once helped the team in anyway. Never says a word.. I could give a fuck about him personally!

Originally posted by Kelts
Ya stop trolling glb1 forums and go earn his pay. Thats what i would expect. I'm on a team with him in glb2 and hasnt once helped the team in anyway. Never says a word.. I could give a fuck about him personally!

Probably wants you to learn the game rather than showing you how to play it.

Originally posted by Corndog
That's generally because there's two arguments going on.

One argument is "GLB HAS SO MUCH POTENTIAL" and that we just need to advertise and it can be some kind of behemoth in the gaming industry. It would require massive, massive changes for that to happen.

The "showing we care" argument is kind of fickle and different between everyone, and everyone has their different ideas of what needs to be done, ranging from "fixing small bugs" to "shut down GLB2 immediately and apologize". I don't disagree that some minor changes to GLB1 would be nice, but we have a lot of crap on our plate and two people coding. We aren't EA, we don't have teams of developers and millions and millions of dollars to just throw everywhere.

Several points here that some people will agree with, some people won't, and some aren't sure about.

WG isn't a publicly traded company and doesn't have a 30 foot mahogany table encircled with 312 years of combined business expertise. It's constituents buy Flex instead of shares and hope for a long term return of entertainment and camaraderie instead of dividends and capital gains.

WG doesn't have the resources or financial backing to launch a massive marketing campaign to bring in new blood. The current user base is clamoring for this, that, or the other thing, but no one pulling the same direction or able to rally around a common goal.

But what if WG was able to adopt at least part of the publicly owned business model?

Aside from proven returns, what drives investors to want to buy more shares? Expectation of future returns, of course. And those expectations are built on information. If it's a drug company, people want to see big potential in the prescription patent pipeline. Auto maker? They want to see how the forecast for next year has you landing all the Car & Driver top choice awards. Tech company? Your new tablet OS is predicted to sit aside Apple and Android in the next 2 years and be the 900 lb gorilla in 5.

So you're Warrior Games. You're working on new projects that you think are exciting, innovative, fun, etc. Tell people about it. Pull back the curtain a little so your users - your investors - can share in the vision and see where their investment can lead. Give them something to get excited about; a way to see the longer term plan. And not a few weeks before it happens like with GLB2; the pipeline needs be juuuust a bit longer than that.

There are already too many constraints in play as stated above: Advertising is costly and requires too much change; there are only 2 coders; there are too many balls in the air, etc. No one need debate to what extent these issues are real or not. They exist in some form and that's all that matters.

Concerns? Ideas being stolen, users disagreeing, projects not working out, etc. No different from many other industries. So limit the data. Give out a general concept or direction without giving away too much. Users are going to disagree anyway. Just like any other population base in any other decision. Even Walter Mondale won 2 states (ok, 1 was DC). But you gain a some badly needed transparency and let your users see what they're a part of. Make them part of team and they are energized in a way they currently are not. There's no voting rights or input into the future. But they can now see at least 20 feet down the hallway instead of a dark wall.

So again, what could be done to provide the maximum yield with minimum effort? Get on the same side of the fence as the user base so momentum builds faster. There's a pipeline; time to pull back the curtain a little more.

yikes ... sorry for the wall of text. don't netflix and post...