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Originally posted by BobbyCox4Pres.
Originally posted by Rage Kinard

Who said anything about adding more leagues? We are talking about stratifying the existing leagues more. You still end up with the same number of leagues - 9. Instead of 1-8, you are 1-2-6. Although I prefer that it be 1-2-4.

I'm not seeing anyone complain to much in the Pro's about structure, really.. They know they deserve to be there, they know competition will be rough, they know what happens when they lose to much.. If it ain't broke why fix it.. If you made it to WL, you get demoted, and do a little ass kicking in Pro's, doesn't mean the competition is broke, just means your hungry to get back up there.. I just don't think we need to go and change the structure, because lack of competition..

This is fun... have you been living under a rock?

Here is the schedule of the champion of your shitty CPL league last season...

http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?season=20&team_id=3600

That right there is the epitome of broken. Outside of the championship they really werent in jeopardy of losing any other game. How can you sit there and say those 9 teams that they put up over 100 points on deserved to be in a Pro league? Hell, their first 3 rounds of the playoffs teams couldnt stay within 50 of them.

I might add, because they drop out for a season, even at the 440 day old, play a season in the pro's then back in the WL, doesn't mean they will never see it again.. Last time I checked they still play mighty fine at 519 days old.. I think it was said earlier most WL teams only dominate for 2 seasons on average anyway.. I'm still a -1 on this, but still haven't voted yet..

Originally posted by BobbyCox4Pres.
Originally posted by Rage Kinard

If you make it, you have the right to be there. However, what has typically happened to teams that made it to WL before the majority could boost to level 72?

They failed to make the playoffs.

Then the team is forced to decide - do we send our excellent dots that were in WL at level 70 down to play in Pro and make our way back up next season, or do we disband the team so the dots can stay in WL now that they are going to be level 73 and have level 72 gear.

Even if the team owner wants to hold the team together, he is typically going to find that there are agents on the team that want off so they can keep their players in WL.

impatience in the game, has killed it..

Thats a different topic altogether...

Thats what happens when the powers that be are too stubborn to accelerate the building process. We have to wait to damn long for our dots to play "relevant" games.

Originally posted by BobbyCox4Pres.
impatience in the game, has killed it..

I think it is more a lack of competitiveness.


One of the problems is let's say you have a team that made it to WL the season the players were growing from 64-67. They won 12 of their regular season games by 50+ pts.

Now that team promotes to WL. The dots boost to level 70. They go 6-10 to 8-8 in the WL and miss the playoffs.

Now the next season, that team would be in National Pro. To be honest, going back would be boring as hell. They would have maybe 2 competitive games all season.

The difference between Pro and WL is night and day. You need something in between, so that if you demote from WL you go back to something that is competitive.

Originally posted by BobbyCox4Pres.
I might add, because they drop out for a season, even at the 440 day old, play a season in the pro's then back in the WL, doesn't mean they will never see it again.. Last time I checked they still play mighty fine at 519 days old.. I think it was said earlier most WL teams only dominate for 2 seasons on average anyway.. I'm still a -1 on this, but still haven't voted yet..

This isnt about getting to the WL and staying there... its about making the Pro leagues as competitive/enjoyable as the WL instead of a boring stepping stone that it is/has become.

Originally posted by Catch22
So it's 34-27 for/against. I'd love to hear comments from those that are against it as to why they are against it. Provide some logic behind your vote please.

Rivalries

Originally posted by beenlurken
This is fun... have you been living under a rock?

Here is the schedule of the champion of your shitty CPL league last season...

http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?season=20&team_id=3600

That right there is the epitome of broken. Outside of the championship they really werent in jeopardy of losing any other game. How can you sit there and say those 9 teams that they put up over 100 points on deserved to be in a Pro league? Hell, their first 3 rounds of the playoffs teams couldnt stay within 50 of them.

First years in the Pro's, I have been put in CPL, I had requested USA, but they were full.. Not really a rock, but GLB slab.. Um, how about another season under their belt, learn from their mistakes, recruit and do it again.. Isn't that the process.. How long have they been in CPL before their promotion.. Still doesn't mean we change the structure, because Queen City had an amazing run.. Good job by the way, and congrats on the WL promotion..

Originally posted by BobbyCox4Pres.
Originally posted by beenlurken

This is fun... have you been living under a rock?

Here is the schedule of the champion of your shitty CPL league last season...

http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?season=20&team_id=3600

That right there is the epitome of broken. Outside of the championship they really werent in jeopardy of losing any other game. How can you sit there and say those 9 teams that they put up over 100 points on deserved to be in a Pro league? Hell, their first 3 rounds of the playoffs teams couldnt stay within 50 of them.

First years in the Pro's, I have been put in CPL, I had requested USA, but they were full.. Not really a rock, but GLB slab.. Um, how about another season under their belt, learn from their mistakes, recruit and do it again.. Isn't that the process.. How long have they been in CPL before their promotion.. Still doesn't mean we change the structure, because Queen City had an amazing run.. Good job by the way, and congrats on the WL promotion..

There run was not impressive... their record was NOT the result of how good they are but more a reflection of how bad CPL was last season.

They were in the WL in season 18... here is their season 19 schedule in CPL

http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?season=19&team_id=3600

The only games they lost were to the two teams that played in the championship game. QCBC and those other two teams were the only good teams in all of CPL... none of the other teams had a chance (the season was pointless for these other teams... and boring for the three aforementioned teams).

+1

I'm against it because no scheme will work if not left alone long enough for cream to rise. I'd like to think I'd be giving some of that needed Pro competition if we weren't moving horizontally the last 2 seasons despite a trophy and a playoff game.
I'd also MUCH rather see improvements/additions to player/team tactics and the core sim for a while given the limited # of Bort's available.

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Who said anything about adding more leagues? We are talking about stratifying the existing leagues more. You still end up with the same number of leagues - 9. Instead of 1-8, you are 1-2-6. Although I prefer that it be 1-2-4.

That might work best for competition sake, merge 2 Pro leagues into 1 and you have left the 5th-12th seeds from each conference. Should be pretty competetive for everyone.
You donīt have to disband 2 regions into the others in that scenario, could even do something like USA conference/ CPL conference in 1 league, Eastern Europe & Western Europe conferenes in 1 league ect...

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
I think it is more a lack of competitiveness.


One of the problems is let's say you have a team that made it to WL the season the players were growing from 64-67. They won 12 of their regular season games by 50+ pts.

Now that team promotes to WL. The dots boost to level 70. They go 6-10 to 8-8 in the WL and miss the playoffs.

Now the next season, that team would be in National Pro. To be honest, going back would be boring as hell. They would have maybe 2 competitive games all season.

The difference between Pro and WL is night and day. You need something in between, so that if you demote from WL you go back to something that is competitive.

Originally posted by beenlurken
This isnt about getting to the WL and staying there... its about making the Pro leagues as competitive/enjoyable as the WL instead of a boring stepping stone that it is/has become.

Whoa whoa whoa, isn't that what WL is for, to house the best of the best.. That's what we play for(i hope).. Even if it's for one chance, one chance at the cup.. We don't need a second best league for the one's who just couldn't get there.. They should be punished, and put back into the Leagues to prove they can do it again.. That's the process. Wa wa if you weren't good enough for the cup, suffer through the teams that are under leveled, uncoordinated, that's the punishment.. In the meantime, join a tournament and have fun.. Good luck, because you just might see those WL teams, that smashed you the first time around..

Originally posted by beenlurken
There run was not impressive... their record was NOT the result of how good they are but more a reflection of how bad CPL was last season.

They were in the WL in season 18... here is their season 19 schedule in CPL

http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?season=19&team_id=3600

The only games they lost were to the two teams that played in the championship game. QCBC and those other two teams were the only good teams in all of CPL... none of the other teams had a chance (the season was pointless for these other teams... and boring for the three aforementioned teams).

Don't take anything away from them, man.. geesh..

Originally posted by dbreeze
I'm against it because no scheme will work if not left alone long enough for cream to rise.

I think this is really it for me. A lot of teams restarted when Age Based Leagues were introduced, and I think that has taken power out of the pros. I think the current setup needs a few more seasons before a redesign becomes necessary.

Originally posted by BobbyCox4Pres.
Originally posted by beenlurken

There run was not impressive... their record was NOT the result of how good they are but more a reflection of how bad CPL was last season.

They were in the WL in season 18... here is their season 19 schedule in CPL

http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?season=19&team_id=3600

The only games they lost were to the two teams that played in the championship game. QCBC and those other two teams were the only good teams in all of CPL... none of the other teams had a chance (the season was pointless for these other teams... and boring for the three aforementioned teams).

Don't take anything away from them, man.. geesh..

I guarantee that they would all come in here and say last season was a complete waste of their time. I am telling you that they do not feel like it was an accomplishment (nothing to take away from) and that they were bored for almost the entire season (aside from any tournament play they may have played in).

Hell, the team (Providence) that knocked them out in the conference championship game in season 19 whined all season long about how boring/shitty the competition was in CPL