Warrior General Games

Originally posted by jrry32
Done but 1 more stipulation, must start minimum of 8 games. I think that's fair.

I would agree to that. Can we e-shake on it?

Originally posted by ImTheScientist
Originally posted by jrry32

Done but 1 more stipulation, must start minimum of 8 games. I think that's fair.

I would agree to that. Can we e-shake on it?

Sure, deal. *E-Shake*

lol at betting on a QB's rookie year. On a team that scored 175 points last year, lol. Peyton Manning didn't even have a 1:1 TD:INT ratio as a rookie, and the Colts at least were good enough to score 313 points the year before Manning was drafted.

Originally posted by TrevJo
lol at betting on a QB's rookie year. On a team that scored 175 points last year, lol. Peyton Manning didn't even have a 1:1 TD:INT ratio as a rookie, and the Colts at least were good enough to score 313 points the year before Manning was drafted.

too late, we E-shook and jrry thinks Bradford is god. Fwiw, Im a Seahawks fan and the Rams are LOSERS.

Originally posted by TrevJo
lol at betting on a QB's rookie year. On a team that scored 175 points last year, lol. Peyton Manning didn't even have a 1:1 TD:INT ratio as a rookie, and the Colts at least were good enough to score 313 points the year before Manning was drafted.

I have confidence. Bradford and Manning are different passers. Bradford does a really good job of throwing short accurately, making sound decisions and getting the ball out fast. The Rams are running a WCO and will be focusing on quick passes to Avery and other WRs and dump offs to Jackson. It's a pretty safe offense. And yea, our offense was terrible last season but in our defense, we lost our top 4 WRs, our starting and backup QB and 3/5 of our OL.

Originally posted by ImTheScientist
Originally posted by TrevJo

lol at betting on a QB's rookie year. On a team that scored 175 points last year, lol. Peyton Manning didn't even have a 1:1 TD:INT ratio as a rookie, and the Colts at least were good enough to score 313 points the year before Manning was drafted.

too late, we E-shook and jrry thinks Bradford is god. Fwiw, Im a Seahawks fan and the Rams are LOSERS.

God? Nah. I am just doing that as a joke. I know Bradford will take his lumps but this is an offense setup for a QB like him to succeed and it's a pretty safe offense.

I'd like to see a list of NFL QBs that started 8+ games as a rookie and had a 1:1 TD:INT ratio.

Originally posted by chronoaug
how does jdbolik not have 6-7 different essays in this thread already?

someone should pm him


Originally posted by jdbolick
Sam Bradford – 6'4” 236 1st round, 1st overall
Ability: Sam Bradford was not the best player available in the 2010 NFL Draft, but contrary to some criticism leveled against the St. Louis Rams, he was worthy of the first overall selection. Although Ndamukong Suh is a once in a generation talent at defensive tackle, Bradford himself may be the best quarterback prospect to enter the draft since Peyton Manning. The breadth of Sam's skill set was obscured to a degree by missing most of the season with a shoulder injury, but as a sophomore he demonstrated practically every attribute a team could want behind center. His accuracy and touch jumped out immediately, as Bradford routinely hit his receivers in stride even twenty or thirty yards downfield. Equally important, Sam showed the ability to quickly read and assess coverages, then find the best option. In a spread offense, sometimes the quarterback simply follows his assigned progressions, yet watching him perform, it was clear that Bradford didn't simply follow a script but instead made snap decisions about where to go with the football. The only legitimate concerns about his pro potential dealt with his physical maturity, as some worried that Bradford possessed only average arm strength, and that his slim frame would not hold up to the inevitable pounding an NFL quarterback has to endure. Oddly, Sam's injury likely helped him a great deal in these respects, as he was able to bulk up considerably without harming his technique or accuracy. By proving that he can not only make the throws required of a pro passer, but do so with strength and efficiency, Bradford removed the last lingering doubt about his worthiness of being the first pick in the draft.


And good lord, ITS doesn't know shit about college football or evaluating prospects. His posts are dripping with unintentional hilarity.

Year Name TD INT
90 Andre Ware 1 2
90 Jeff George 16 13
91 Dan McGwire 0 1
91 Todd Marinovich 3 0
92 David Klingler 3 2
92 Tommy Maddox 5 9
93 Drew Bledsoe 15 15
93 Rick Mirer 2 12 17
94 Heath Shuler10 12
94 Trent Dilfer 6 1 6
95 Steve McNair 3 1
95 Kerry Collins 14 19
97 Jim Druckenmiller 1 4
98 Peyton Manning 26 28
98 Ryan Leaf 2 15
99 Tim Couch 15 13
99 Donovan McNabb 8 7
99 Akili Smith 2 6
99 Cade McNown 8 10
99 Daunte Culpepper 0 0
00 Chad Pennington 1 0
01 Michael Vick 1 3 3
02 David Carr 12 15
02 Joey Harrington 12 16
02 Patrick Ramsey 10 8

Originally posted by TrevJo
I'd like to see a list of NFL QBs that started 8+ games as a rookie and had a 1:1 TD:INT ratio.

I looked at the rookie years of the 32 starting QBs in the NFL (well, the 32 QBs on this list: http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating/year/2009/seasontype/2 which is sorted by passer rating but obviously has a minimum number of attempts requirement)

Anyway I suppose it's not as bad of a bet as I thought.

From the above list...
...19 of them didn't even play 8 games (not counting holder duty)
...1 had a 1:1 TD:INT ratio (Palmer)
...4 had better than a 1:1 ratio (McNabb, Flacco, Roethlisberger, Ryan)
...8 had a worse than 1:1 ratio (Eli*, Peyton, Orton, Young, Smith, Sanchez, Stafford, Freeman)
*Eli played in 9 games, I'm not sure he actually started 8 though.

Still a bad bet though, regardless of Bradford's ability. Flacco and Roethlisberger were clearly on far superior teams. McNabb and Ryan probably were too. I strongly doubt ITS will be having to sport a jrry avatar.

Originally posted by TrevJo
Originally posted by TrevJo

I'd like to see a list of NFL QBs that started 8+ games as a rookie and had a 1:1 TD:INT ratio.

I suppose it's not as bad as I thought. I looked at the rookie years of the 32 starting QBs in the NFL (well, the 32 QBs on this list: http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating/year/2009/seasontype/2 which is sorted by passer rating but obviously has a minimum number of attempts requirement)

Anyway from that list...
...19 of them didn't even play 8 games (not counting holder duty)
...1 had a 1:1 TD:INT ratio (Palmer)
...4 had better than a 1:1 ratio (McNabb, Flacco, Roethlisberger, Ryan)
...8 had a worse than 1:1 ratio (Eli*, Peyton, Orton, Young, Smith, Sanchez, Stafford, Freeman)
*Eli played in 9 games, I'm not sure he actually started 8 though.

Still, Flacco and Roethlisberger were clearly on far superior teams. McNabb and Ryan probably were too. I doubt ITS will be having to sport a jrry avatar regardless of Bradford's ability.

I have faith. The thing about Bradford and the thing about the Rams is that it really is a system that should cut down on ints. The Rams have the talent on offense to allow Bradford to have a solid year and Bradford has the talent/poise/ability to have a good year. Normally, I wouldn't ever consider this bet but Bradford isn't like the QBs who have come out recently and the Rams offensive system is designed for him to succeed. It will really just depend on our offense's ability to stay healthy which is worrisome.

You can argue all day about how Bradford is going to pan out, but I don't think you can disagree with the point ITS made that it's simply ridiculous to say Bradford is the most pro ready QB to come out since Peyton Manning. The system that Oklahoma runs does not prepare you AT ALL for the NFL, and I don't know how anyone who really watches football seriously could argue otherwise. I mean, my god has Bradford taken a snap under center in his career? From a pure quarterbacking standpoint, it's a system that completely simplifies the decision making. Not to mention the guy only missed damn near all of last season and decided to enter the draft early anyways. And he's the most pro ready QB to come out this past decade? Really?

I can understand some homerism, especially if you're some die hard Rams fan holding out hope for anything positive, but c'mon now.

Originally posted by tbsteel
I don't think you can disagree with the point ITS made that it's simply ridiculous to say Bradford is the most pro ready QB to come out since Peyton Manning. .

Who have been the pro ready qbs since peyton manning tho? Eli? vick? VY? Thats the thing, there really hasn't been any "Pro ready qbs" and if manning was pro ready like 1-15 is pro ready then who the fucks want to be like that? So tough to say on qb's being pro ready IMO because Matt Ryan/Flacco/Rothlesberger have had as much success as any rookie qbs I Can remember -none of them were considered more pro ready than bradford. This entire argument seems like a bullshit one with no real end because it seems people are arguing shit that the other guys aren't

Originally posted by tbsteel
You can argue all day about how Bradford is going to pan out, but I don't think you can disagree with the point ITS made that it's simply ridiculous to say Bradford is the most pro ready QB to come out since Peyton Manning. The system that Oklahoma runs does not prepare you AT ALL for the NFL, and I don't know how anyone who really watches football seriously could argue otherwise. I mean, my god has Bradford taken a snap under center in his career? From a pure quarterbacking standpoint, it's a system that completely simplifies the decision making. Not to mention the guy only missed damn near all of last season and decided to enter the draft early anyways. And he's the most pro ready QB to come out this past decade? Really?

I can understand some homerism, especially if you're some die hard Rams fan holding out hope for anything positive, but c'mon now.

Seriously, just leave. Please just leave. The bolded part of your post demonstrates that you really don't know what you are talking about so just go before you embarrass yourself further.

He's probably been under center more than a lot of these spread QBs but he's certainly not ready to do it full time. It is something he's going to have to work on, no doubt.

Arguing he's more pro ready than Matt Ryan for example and the system he ran at Boston College is absolutely idiotic.