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Originally posted by chronoaug
Originally posted by silenthatred

I think the problem here is you are separating "me" as if I'm the one calling certain things into question after Bort's reaction. I'm posting as those would be the reactions of the person he just banned. They would call into question those actions, not "me." If it isn't me, I could care less. Also, this would involve a lot more than one person if he were to truly enforce this rule.

He honestly could just single certain people out. I think you're under the impression that a small privately owned mmorpg is a lot more democratic and the Terms of Usage everyone agrees to just by playing the game are a lot more set in stone than they really are. Basically, by playing the game you are agreeing to Bort making judgement calls. Bort can do what he wants pretty much. If he bans Gart or other people from the game, even refunds them part of their flex, they can't do anything about it. It's bort's game. And if they didn't care about GLB then it honestly shouldn't matter. It all seems like the student crying democracy and freedom of speech when they get in trouble for acting out in class. It's cute that they think it's a valid argument.

Um actually being in the business world, I understand beyond a reasonable doubt that a business is not a democratic entity. But I also understand that when a business hasn't taken measures to protect itself, it's doomed for failure. Lets be real, if Bort was going to start handing out bans, it would have been done already. So you sitting here and speculating what he could/would do is what is cute.

Originally posted by silenthatred
So you are saying it would have been a close game and Hali might have lost?

no, but it would have been like every other game that BFM had played this season when they played their dots in position. It was intentional to just fuck with people. They got their laughs but some people really didn't appreciate the joke. It is up to the admins to decide if they want a user base that plays "within the spirit of the game" or if they want a user base that can just do whatever the fuck they want and determine the experience GLB offers for the rest of the players. Not the best way to develop and maintain a business if they choose the latter imo.

It will be interesting to see what they do.

I doubt bort was going to ban gart or whoever i just originally posted it because i thought it would be funny as it would be somewhat in the spirit of cpl in that other options are available and would make sense but "doing it for the lulz" would be an interesting twist

Originally posted by silenthatred
Um actually being in the business world, I understand beyond a reasonable doubt that a business is not a democratic entity. But I also understand that when a business hasn't taken measures to protect itself, it's doomed for failure. Lets be real, if Bort was going to start handing out bans, it would have been done already. So you sitting here and speculating what he could/would do is what is cute.

what else is there to do - the ball is definitely in the court of the admins. Ultimately it is their product and the decisions they make will determine what experience is offered by GLB.

Originally posted by jdros13


It will be interesting to see what they do.

No doubt about that. The situation is muddied by who did it and the fact that some mods are buddy/buddy with this organization and are openly posting about what they did being a good thing.

My expectation is that nothing is going to come of this. Based on how Bort has made some of his other decisions with GLB.

Originally posted by The Duff Man
No doubt about that. The situation is muddied by who did it and the fact that some mods are buddy/buddy with this organization and are openly posting about what they did being a good thing.

My expectation is that nothing is going to come of this. Based on how Bort has made some of his other decisions with GLB.



I agree.....and I think that will go a long way towards showing what they want this game to be. This is a real opportunity for them to make a statement on their vision of the game and the responsibility of the user base to help them cultivate that experience. Most if not all of the mods are not administrators (at least that is how I understand it) but they represent GLB to the majority of the user base. We will find out if they are speaking for Bort or not by what he decides to do in this situation.

On what will actually happen, i'm guessing

some kind of script to prevent blowouts from counting in stat/mvp/tiebreaker races

and also a change in the terms of agreement with an announcement further clarifying what bort considers "cheating" and redefines some things so that if it happens again they will be banned with no flex refund.

Then again, it will only be a matter of a week or so before gart/halifax people/cpl/those who like to mess with the game find a loophole in the updated terms and rules and do the same thing testing bort to see if he has the guts to actually ban them permanently. The cycle will just keep going as the sim can never be "perfect" and there will always be small holes and problems in the sim and the way GLB works in general.

Originally posted by chronoaug
Then again, it will only be a matter of a week or so before gart/halifax people/cpl/those who like to mess with the game find a loophole in the updated terms and rules and do the same thing testing bort to see if he has the guts to actually ban them permanently. The cycle will just keep going as the sim can never be "perfect" and there will always be small holes and problems in the sim and the way GLB works in general.

That's why a subjective catch-all clause is generally included in agreements attached to things like this game. The one we signed has a catch-all prrovision which I hope Bort will use here.

In softball (and probably baseball I'd imagine), there are a mountain of rules but the umpire always can fall back on 'making a travesty of the game' as a reason for making a decision about something that doesn't fit nicely into the other stated rules. Those types of provisions are needed to clean up the pricks that want to game any system either for their own benefit or (as in this case) just for the hell of it. Lines don't always need to be codified for all involved to clearly notice that they have been crossed.

Originally posted by CONN CHRIS
That's why a subjective catch-all clause is generally included in agreements attached to things like this game. The one we signed has a catch-all prrovision which I hope Bort will use here.



This is absolutely subjective, which is why I find it interesting. Clearly there is no place where it says "in league games you are required to play your dots in position so as not to piss people off and make a mockery of the game." That doesn't mean it should be tolerated. If it is tolerated then that (at least in my mind) changes the nature of this simulation.

The catch-all cheating clause might have notice issues if a case was ever brought over a person being banned for an action interpreted as cheating despite not having being expressly prohibited, but a case will never be brought.

There are only four instances that I can think of where a case would ever actually be brought against Bort:

(1) the person banned is an attorney and they are spiteful enough to actually file a claim

(2) the person banned is extremely wealthy and they are fine losing money to spite Bort

(3) the person banned has an obscene amount of money invested in the game (10s of thousands of dollars, if not more)

(3) Bort goes off the deep-end and does something huge, causing the users of the game to file a class action

Since there is little possibility that a verdict would result in anything more than a refund of the user's cash, the cost of litigating a case would be extremely high compared to the possible winnings. No lawyer would take the case unless they were the one banned, the person wanting to sue is willing to pay them regardless of winning, the person banned actually has enough money to make it worthwhile, or a class action is likely so that they can force a settlement. I highly doubt any of these will ever happen.

The jokes on you dumb fucking Haliberries that think Gart would really give a shit if he's perma'd. He doesn't give a shit about this game anymore, he just wants to fuck it up and piss people off. That's why he should be getting the boot.

a legal case would never be brought against bort/glb. even if one was bort would just refund the flex money before anything else happened. there'd be no case without money. then it'd just fade into obscurity and no one would care (lol)

Originally posted by Drago
The jokes on you dumb fucking Haliberries that think Gart would really give a shit if he's perma'd. He doesn't give a shit about this game anymore, he just wants to fuck it up and piss people off. That's why he should be getting the boot.

The jokes on you for thinking our posting have something to do with where our dots play. This has happened before. Nothing was done about it before. Why is it such a big deal now?