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Originally posted by Vando
if they're not on a witch-hunt, then they're fucking terrible at appraising situations and should be demodded forthwith

perhaps.

or maybe they just disagree.

Originally posted by Vando
Originally posted by Catullus 16
i'm not going to stand in the way of you guys emotionally raping some asshole to the point of tears.
but you've got to admit that there are people in the pros that don't have as much internet experience as you guys... else why would they fall into your trap so speedily?
stupidity, mostly

well, you need at least some IQ to get good at the internet... so la même chose, really.

Originally posted by r87
Originally posted by Catullus 16
i'm obviously not in the CPL as much as you guys, so i have a lot less first-hand experience. all i'm saying is that from my perspective, i honestly don't think those mods are on a witch-hunt...
I agreed 100% with this sentiment until yesterday.
If you have access to quzur's retarded little forum, I have posted there (and in the public forums) defending the mods several times. I thought it was ridiculous to imply that mods would go out of their way to ban users.
Then yesterday happened. My opinion has changed, drastically.

fair enough.

(and i gave up on quzur's forum a long time ago.)

Originally posted by r87
If I walk into a bar I've never been in before, I do not stand on a table and announce, "I am going to drink all of you fucks under the table. SUCK MY UNIT."

ha, again with the analogies.

but what if you walked into a bar and some existing patron did that to you?

Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Azure Dreams

Originally posted by Catullus 16

i'm obviously not in the CPL as much as you guys, so i have a lot less first-hand experience. all i'm saying is that from my perspective, i honestly don't think those mods are on a witch-hunt...
They aren't always. Last night they were.

okay, let's say they were. so now the next question is: why?

are they just overly-emotional and irrational people? or are they people who happen to disagree and have enough ounces of authority to impose their will?

i'm still trying to drive at motivations here... and if you're pointing to the fact that the sides are intractable, then i completely agree.



because they're terrible mods who can't stand people who don't submit to them in every way. They're power-hungry and unprofessional.

You'd have a point if we had mods that were established as good or even decent but these are fucking terrible mods so their horrible behavior is in no way surprising. It wasn't BigT invading our forum, it was voltron. the feudel of mods.

Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by r87

If I walk into a bar I've never been in before, I do not stand on a table and announce, "I am going to drink all of you fucks under the table. SUCK MY UNIT."

ha, again with the analogies.

but what if you walked into a bar and some existing patron did that to you?

then he and his friends would laugh, you'd be uncomfortable and then either make friends with them or leave. Doesn't mean the bartender should kick all the regulars out so you don't feel weird. If you feel weird at a bar, don't go to that bar, tbh.

Beyond which, plz provide examples of that. because what I'm saying is that new people are by and large ignored until they do that.

Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by r87

If I walk into a bar I've never been in before, I do not stand on a table and announce, "I am going to drink all of you fucks under the table. SUCK MY UNIT."

ha, again with the analogies.

but what if you walked into a bar and some existing patron did that to you?

I'd be like, hellz yea this is the bar for me. (minus pole sucking ldo)

ohhhh I like Azure's answer more.

Originally posted by Azure Dreams


then he and his friends would laugh, you'd be uncomfortable and then either make friends with them or leave. Doesn't mean the bartender should kick all the regulars out so you don't feel weird. If you feel weird at a bar, don't go to that bar, tbh.

Beyond which, plz provide examples of that. because what I'm saying is that new people are by and large ignored until they do that.

Key point.

Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Vando

Originally posted by Catullus 16

i'm not going to stand in the way of you guys emotionally raping some asshole to the point of tears.
but you've got to admit that there are people in the pros that don't have as much internet experience as you guys... else why would they fall into your trap so speedily?
stupidity, mostly

well, you need at least some IQ to get good at the internet... so la même chose, really.

orly?

Originally posted by Vando
Originally posted by Catullus 16
okay, fine... i didn't see any of that.

but i do know of at least one mod who received a complaint, went in to try to uphold the rules, we essentially told to GTFO by everyone (including VT), got fairly pissed about it, and lodged a complaint with pallow. he eventually decided to never venture into the CPL again (so mission accomplished there, i guess), but he was fairly torqued over the situation since he was only trying to do his job.

and no, i'm not going to mention his name. trust me or don't... i don't care.
The blame for this falls on the mods who initially went in and modded like a sack of dicks DUCY

actually, i categorically disagree.

frankly, all the league forums everywhere should abide by the same rules. if a forum develops a culture at cross-purposes to those rules, then maybe it should be spun off as a public non-league forum, like GD/FFA/TT/etc.

or how about this for a not-very-well-thought-out solution: split the CPL forum into East and West subforums... with the understanding that one is old-school CPL style and the other is GG style. i realize that CPL regulars are in both conferences and this doesn't solve promotion/demotion, but still... would this avoid the political quagmire of who gets top billing?

Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Originally posted by Catullus 16
okay, fine... i didn't see any of that.
but i do know of at least one mod who received a complaint, went in to try to uphold the rules, we essentially told to GTFO by everyone (including VT), got fairly pissed about it, and lodged a complaint with pallow. he eventually decided to never venture into the CPL again (so mission accomplished there, i guess), but he was fairly torqued over the situation since he was only trying to do his job.
and no, i'm not going to mention his name. trust me or don't... i don't care.
I'm sure we all know his name anyway so it doesn't matter.
Wanna know something else? The forum was a better place because of it.

PM? and only one guess this time.

Originally posted by Azure Dreams
posted it earlier in this thread

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Originally posted by Azure Dreams
already delt with them. presumably you'll get to that soon.

feeling a little inadequate over here.

Originally posted by r87
Originally posted by r87

Ok here goes. I enjoy these forums more than any other league forum in the game (by a lot), and definitely more than the spectacle that is the general forums. The unique atmosphere promoted within CPL makes for a fun time. It really isn't that hard to get along with people, you just have to avoid being stupid or taking things too seriously (reference: http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=2774295 ).

With that said, I can understand the frustrations of those users who come here looking for the standard league forum experience. You are used to this formula:
1) 1/2 guys post power rankings each week: people discuss how they deserve to be #1 with slightly masked insults or overly painful compliments.

2) 7 new 'GG' threads for each week of play that occurs.

3) 1, maybe 2, off-topic threads, probably still somehow circularly related to the game.

4) There is probably one team that everybody hates, and you insult them behind their backs.

Other than those few things, a normal league forum in this game just doesn't provide a whole lot of interest. I joined two new teams this off-season; I don't even know what leagues they are in because the forums are not that fascinating. Actually, I did venture into one of them, and it was a lot of people yelling at each other about who had the better team (quite rudely, in fact). It was not a good time. There wasn't even anything interesting going on. Once again, I urge you, reference: http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=1093160

Now, I am fully aware that there are two sides to this coin. I personally feel that CPL has achieved a good mix of GLB seriousness mixed with fun. However, this was slightly compromised when late last night, Stobie (one of 3 moderators who are here, mind you. Note that CPL has no issues with any 'serious' rules being broken like pornography.) admitted that the power rankings were a farce. Shameful.

But I digress. Here is my solution. Leave CPL as it is. It isn't hurting anyone. Except that guy who's own GM's hated him, but I think we can all agree that was for the best. In addition, add a new sub-forum at the top of the page. Entitle it, "serious dot-ball talk," or something similiar. Within those bounds, CPL-lite is like any other forum, and the rules will be followed. Therein, be free to discuss anything you like as in a normal league forum. GG's will flow aplenty, and there will be mirth, and maybe some laughter.

TLR - read the bolded parts.

Also, I think FLgator is just cranky that someone here already does power rankings.



I like this.

Originally posted by Serenity
part of the issue is that many outside mods are reluctant to acquiesce to any point of view that differentiates from their own which is the type of modding that causes the most problems.

If you're reasonable and smart enough, you can get along fine with cpl. I mean back when I was a mod, at first a lot of CPL posters didn't like me, but that changed due to the fact that I wasn't a complete idiotic douchebag

true... but that process works both ways.

punishment needs to have a specific purpose... throwing the book at people just to legitimize one's authority is obviously a bad way to go. so i agree with mods getting to know people a bit better before they start flexing their muscle.

however, the policy of having police officers live in the communities they police has turned out to be a mixed bag. while police brutality goes down, corruption goes up. and i'm not talking about bribery/etc, i'm talking about soft corruption... where rules aren't strictly enforced because you're now in a situation where the officer is supposed to be policing their friends.

so there's still a tricky fine line there... especially if a mod doesn't differentiate themselves from other users and behave similarly. i'm not saying that's necessarily wrong, but you have to admit that looks very wrong/corrupt to certain people.

Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Azure Dreams

already delt with them. presumably you'll get to that soon.

feeling a little inadequate over here.

I was referencing the fact taht I already mentioned both of those examples. you can't see roctronic's, though (though it was copy pasta'd, but you seemed to miss that) and disagreed about FLGator's cuz you like the guy or something.

As for the PM i mentioned with NMV where he admits that he was not modding based on rules, I'll repost it.