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DL,

Where do you see a Weight change regarding blocking? Where defenders have to deal with OLine weight?

- Receivers will no longer attempt to dive to catch errant passes behind the line of scrimmage, since it's better to just let it go incomplete than lose yards
- Ball carriers dragging a tackler will now use a little bit more energy than before, based on the weight of the tackler (heavier tacklers drain more energy)

And again you and Rob are missing the logic equation. You keep saying the issue at lower levels isn't Weight. That defies logic.

The majority of the issue may not be weight but weight is clearly an additional issue. If Weight is effecting Power HBs with 98 Power rushing at vet, then it's surely effecting Soph Power HBs with 70 PR.

OSIRIS posted Global declines on inside rushing plays due to the Weight change - at Vet. Why wouldn't those plays be just as effected at lower tiers? The answer is that they've probably been even more effected.

Hence my continued posting.

Originally posted by Xars


Where do you see a Weight change regarding blocking? Where defenders have to deal with OLine weight?


I think his point is that power HBs are so OP at Vet when at 100 Power Rush, that it is only fair that at lower levels they aren't as OP. It's a balance thing. Defenders already have to spread out their SPs thin and if they had to add more to tackling at low tiers, the defense would never catch up with the offense..something like that.

Obviously it would be better if they fixed it so the power rushing would balance out between tiers....like 50 power rushing would actually count for something and 100 wouldn't be so OP.

I also understand your point about weight being a constant. But in real life, weight is somewhat of a constant too. Although some players gain weight over time. I could see a slight increase in weight over a players career, but it shouldn't be drastic.

I simply think that if there has been a decline it has been due to the quality match ups presented so far. It has much less to do with weight in my opinion. There are teams that are still rushing inside for average type gains compared to previous seasons when playing quality teams. It still has more to do with the plays called against the defenses run and what those defensive builds look like. Broken tackles appear to still be about the same as well. Morale/energy also play a role. Once a team spirals down a bit, their defense will perform better. If they never get the momentum on their side and the opposing defense is able to keep their energy up as well then they will handle opposin rushing better. Player builds have also surely beefed up a ton in comparison to what defenders looked like 5 seasons ago. More conditioning, more tackling skills and higher BRB/HG at many positions. Power backs have proven to be so strong that defensive builds have had to counter and even with pouring so much in to run defensive skills, HBs are still breaking tackles at a ridiculous clip.

Originally posted by Galactic Empire

Obviously it would be better if they fixed it so the power rushing would balance out between tiers....like 50 power rushing would actually count for something and 100 wouldn't be so OP.

Yes, power rushing needs balance. I certainly agree with that. I do not agree with weight being the problem or the thing to fix though.

Originally posted by Xars

OSIRIS posted Global declines on inside rushing plays due to the Weight change - at Vet. Why wouldn't those plays be just as effected at lower tiers? The answer is that they've probably been even more effected.

Hence my continued posting.



You keep missing the part where his data is misleading.

I'm not sure if it is misleading. It is what it is. Maybe the incoming teams have better run defenses than the ones that left. I keep hearing how weak all those incoming teams are though.

I have watched thousands of offensive plays from my team over many many seasons and it just feels different. We can look at data later on and see if it changes.

I can do the same thing with all your likewise s23 opponents that you have both faced this season.

Spastic cited vape while also saying he's never had so much problem running against man flats. Anyone who played in vet last season knows that vape dominated with that defense last season.

Lots of really good run defenses in vet. Specifically vape, Bronx, bsb, and 1980s were especially hard to run on last season.

Hard to tell about Vape HB cause we changed his build, we got more conditioning and toughness, but he is way better this season, can't tell if he could be much better then this without the nerfs.

Sophomore attempt/Broken Tackle ratios

S23

Juice Jacobs 986/128 12%
Lawrence Phillips 494/86 17%
Wayne Gallman 697/52 .07%
Wicket 403/52 13%
Jay Slip 306/49 16%


Current

Garbage Truck 254/83 32%
Mr Furious 293/26 .08%
Vlaz Thantos 148/25 16%
Paul Perkins 90/23 25%
Han Solo 276/22 .07%

Vet numbers are all over the board due to all the new destinations for guys, getting massive SP while moving up tiers, and build changes.

Most of the new backs who were in pro last season have added about 5-10% to their broken tackle ratio while DD's PB has stayed pretty steady around 80%. Most of the backs who have changed teams have dropped in %'s which I guess makes sense considering chemistry. Then there are guys like Robinson who have increased in %'s. Needs more data.

Originally posted by Xars
DL,

Where do you see a Weight change regarding blocking? Where defenders have to deal with OLine weight?

- Receivers will no longer attempt to dive to catch errant passes behind the line of scrimmage, since it's better to just let it go incomplete than lose yards
- Ball carriers dragging a tackler will now use a little bit more energy than before, based on the weight of the tackler (heavier tacklers drain more energy)

And again you and Rob are missing the logic equation. You keep saying the issue at lower levels isn't Weight. That defies logic.

The majority of the issue may not be weight but weight is clearly an additional issue. If Weight is effecting Power HBs with 98 Power rushing at vet, then it's surely effecting Soph Power HBs with 70 PR.

OSIRIS posted Global declines on inside rushing plays due to the Weight change - at Vet. Why wouldn't those plays be just as effected at lower tiers? The answer is that they've probably been even more effected.

Hence my continued posting.



To be honest, your issue in sophomore currently has nothing to do with weight. It has to do with missed blocks and bad blocking schemes. You are consistently being hit at or behind the LOS by unblocked defenders. That along with the sacks on screens isn't doing you any favors.

Vape, BSB, 1980, and BB were all in Vet last season as well where the numbers were much higher. They are the constants. The incoming teams are what would change the numbers talent wise. Maybe a lot of the bad run defenses reset or folded and were replaced by better ones.

I imagine our ypc would be slightly up and TFLs way up due to running outside.

I can't check that right now, the season os young so there just isn't enough data either way. I just know it feels different.

Originally posted by _OSIRIS_
Vape, BSB, 1980, and BB were all in Vet last season as well where the numbers were much higher. They are the constants. The incoming teams are what would change the numbers talent wise. Maybe a lot of the bad run defenses reset or folded and were replaced by better ones.

I imagine our ypc would be slightly up and TFLs way up due to running outside.

I can't check that right now, the season os young so there just isn't enough data either way. I just know it feels different.

S23

Rashard Robinson 967/468 48%
Derek Jeter 1249/429 34%

BSB acquired Fabio
1980's not only brought in a new HB, but they neutered his power running by 10-15 points.

That being said

Fabio Pistolero 1128/753 66%
Ivan Drago 990/817 82%

Current

Robinson 357/225 63%
Jeter 360/106 29%
Pistolero 220/110 50%
Drago 183/107 58%