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Originally posted by bhall43
Last Corndog explained was Gold/Silver/Copper leagues on the test server. Granted league structures changed from that point and what not but it just doesn't make any sense to me to move teams to different leagues when the ladder system is fun because it branches you out from your league while you can create an actual league rivalry if you stay within your league. Makes more sense to me if you can swap leagues through support if you really are trying to get into a different league rather than forcing all the good teams into one league so that they are constantly playing each other in league and ladder games every day.

Exactly. Only most of the league forums are dead, so something is missing. Too many leagues? Not enough teams per league? I terrible forum structure for leagues?

I don't know what it is, but there's more going on in University lolminor elite than in any of the league forums I've seen in GLB2.

Originally posted by Time Trial
I can't say for sure what killed it, but I have ideas.

The original system failed because for the first 10 seasons you weren't running an age-based league, so the oldest players had a training and SP advantage. There were all kinds of problems with the financial system that I believe were the real downfall of that system.

The reason for the age based leagues was to kill the non-booster, imo. It meant that all teams were on a level playing field, so long as they were paying to play.

This created a system where you had age-based minor leagues that fed into a pyramid-based league.

While it was to kill a non booster, they also had no choice as it takes 2 years to reach plateau.

I can tell you that the reason the minors died off was largely due to a lack of identity. I still talk with old league rivals about EE BBB7 (awesome league imo). Don't remember regaling in the good ol' Cap 28 league #3 or whatever days.

Originally posted by Dub J
I was just wondering...

Did we ever have a single season where there weren't large amounts of fuckery taking place? Was the pyramid ever given a real chance?

I had players in the pyramid, but I didn't own a team outside of Pee Wee until the age-based leagues started.

I remember the first couple of seasons being fun, but I hated playing against the non-booster SSB teams in the mid-levels of the pyramid.

Originally posted by Dub J
I was just wondering...

Did we ever have a single season where there weren't large amounts of fuckery taking place? Was the pyramid ever given a real chance?

Pyramid was great while everyone was within reasonable levels of competition. Once we got beyond level 48ish shit just was kinda lol.

Originally posted by Time Trial
Exactly. Only most of the league forums are dead, so something is missing. Too many leagues? Not enough teams per league? I terrible forum structure for leagues?

I don't know what it is, but there's more going on in University lolminor elite than in any of the league forums I've seen in GLB2.

League forums were never really great until they were established. The Pro leagues had some nice writeups and a little bit of smack talk but it wasn't until a couple seasons had been established where you had rivalries and the boards were full of actual smack talk. And not the 4 year old smack talk that is laid down by a bunch of kids now, I am talking about actual fun write up smack talk.

Actually, EE BBB7 and EE A4 had a bit of both and was epic. Once the pyramid was killed and no one had any pride in their leagues is when things went to shit.

Originally posted by bhall43
While it was to kill a non booster, they also had no choice as it takes 2 years to reach plateau.

It is a problem that they never solved, and a problem that they are going to need to solve before Vet in GLB2:

what do you do with the teams that feed from the age-based leagues into the non-age-based leagues?

Season 1 teams are going to reach plateau in 5 seasons. They will form the base of the structure. Do you sort them into Pro and Reg Pro leagues? Do the winners of the Pro leagues form the first WL group, or do you wait to start the WL until there are more teams from season 2, 3, and 4 coming in to the plateau?

If you keep the Gold - Silver - Bronze structure, what happens when the Season 2 Gold teams merge with the Season 1 gold teams in plateau?

This might be an opportunity to sort on GLB2 ladder, but would season 1 teams have an ELO advantage? Wouldn't it mess up the G/S/B structure?

I don't know the answers, but I hope CornBlade and Borticus do.

Originally posted by bhall43
Pyramid was great while everyone was within reasonable levels of competition. Once we got beyond level 48ish shit just was kinda lol.

This is to say lol for anyone starting up a fresh team. The actual pyramid structure held its weight admirably up until they reached a plateau and then it pretty much died anywhere below first AAA, then pro, and finally with the WL established Pro died too.

EE BBB1 was the shit as well.

Originally posted by bhall43
This is to say lol for anyone starting up a fresh team. The actual pyramid structure held its weight admirably up until they reached a plateau and then it pretty much died anywhere below first AAA, then pro, and finally with the WL established Pro died too.

WL whacked the upper part of the leagues with a fucking sledgehammer.

Originally posted by Dub J
Actually, EE BBB7 and EE A4 had a bit of both and was epic. Once the pyramid was killed and no one had any pride in their leagues is when things went to shit.

The Elite teams stay together long enough in the minors to develop some real rivalries and comradery.

I still keep in touch with, and have built dots for, some of the owners from the old Elite days.

Originally posted by Time Trial
It is a problem that they never solved, and a problem that they are going to need to solve before Vet in GLB2:

what do you do with the teams that feed from the age-based leagues into the non-age-based leagues?

Season 1 teams are going to reach plateau in 5 seasons. They will form the base of the structure. Do you sort them into Pro and Reg Pro leagues? Do the winners of the Pro leagues form the first WL group, or do you wait to start the WL until there are more teams from season 2, 3, and 4 coming in to the plateau?

If you keep the Gold - Silver - Bronze structure, what happens when the Season 2 Gold teams merge with the Season 1 gold teams in plateau?

This might be an opportunity to sort on GLB2 ladder, but would season 1 teams have an ELO advantage? Wouldn't it mess up the G/S/B structure?

I don't know the answers, but I hope CornBlade and Borticus do.

I think it is simple. You keep the teams in their divisions and let them grow together. The ladder system brings all the leagues together. I figured that was the entire point behind the whole ladder system in the first place. Even if you have teams that sell or whatever during the process there will always be a team to pull in its place. Hell you could even implant a admin team in its place until there is a team to pull from another league. Regardless there is always gonna be some league left with that CPU no matter how you do it. Either in that conference/division or in Bronze Vet league #4 or whatever. Keep league rivalries intact.

Originally posted by Time Trial
The Elite teams stay together long enough in the minors to develop some real rivalries and comradery.

I still keep in touch with, and have built dots for, some of the owners from the old Elite days.

There weren't elite leagues in the pyramid. The elite leagues after the cloud just forced a bunch of teams together that really didn't give two shits about each other. Back with New Orleans there were seasons I wished we were in comp rather than elite because I had more friends/enemies in comp than elite.

It's like in peewee. I loved PW before the gold/silver/copper shit. You could be in a league with friends and foes indefinitely. Then the gold/silver/copper shit came along and uprooted teams because some wanted to turn PW into the regular leagues (PW Gold = WL in their minds).

The root of the problem is there has been this quest to make every level as competitive as possible when that's not really what many of us were concerned with.

Originally posted by bhall43
Regardless there is always gonna be some league left with that CPU no matter how you do it.

More times than not, more damage has been done to a league ridding it of a CPU team than had the league been left alone.