Originally posted by Nif
'gets in line'
'gets in line'
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What is this comedy central or do you really have short memory Gerr? 
I actually like you this way since you are an easy target. It's like trying to hit a pinata with eyes wide open. I'm thinking maybe attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.
It's the same question I asked you but you insisted that there was a difference or else you wouldn't have brought up something that has been traditionally done in PW gold. I remember you weeping in tears and unable to control your emotion. So you are saying you went through all the whinefest and sending ticket to support for nothing when this was your plan all along?
You are getting the attention not because you have two gold teams but because you always contradict yourself. Nobody really cared until you made a big deal out of it. Not to mention your continuous preaching of wanting new blood. (even though you are known for driving them out with forum trolling) With that much whining and crying, obviously there will be some bad reaction. Get used to it.
Originally posted by Gerr
So what you are saying is that a team full of non-boosting and half CEQ'ed players all owned by one agent is superior to a team full of boosted/CEQ'ed players owned by multiple agents?
Yes, according to Gerr the jacko.
By the way they weren't half, I think it was closer to 70-80%. Whether you game plan with that team or not, nobody knows but the fact that you invested money on that team, you probably did. But at the end, nobody cares so keep that to yourself. You don't need to go around every forum and advertise it. Show a little respect to the teams you beat. Also, that team was hardly the most dominant silver team in recent history. Were you drunk when you said that? lol
I actually like you this way since you are an easy target. It's like trying to hit a pinata with eyes wide open. I'm thinking maybe attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.It's the same question I asked you but you insisted that there was a difference or else you wouldn't have brought up something that has been traditionally done in PW gold. I remember you weeping in tears and unable to control your emotion. So you are saying you went through all the whinefest and sending ticket to support for nothing when this was your plan all along?
You are getting the attention not because you have two gold teams but because you always contradict yourself. Nobody really cared until you made a big deal out of it. Not to mention your continuous preaching of wanting new blood. (even though you are known for driving them out with forum trolling) With that much whining and crying, obviously there will be some bad reaction. Get used to it.
Originally posted by Gerr
So what you are saying is that a team full of non-boosting and half CEQ'ed players all owned by one agent is superior to a team full of boosted/CEQ'ed players owned by multiple agents?
Yes, according to Gerr the jacko.
By the way they weren't half, I think it was closer to 70-80%. Whether you game plan with that team or not, nobody knows but the fact that you invested money on that team, you probably did. But at the end, nobody cares so keep that to yourself. You don't need to go around every forum and advertise it. Show a little respect to the teams you beat. Also, that team was hardly the most dominant silver team in recent history. Were you drunk when you said that? lol
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I spoke to an admin about this, actually one contacted me. According to them, it's alright to own 2 teams in Gold, but you can't have two teams in the same conference, so TIA swapped with the Goats to return each team back to it's original Gold conference.
And I wasn't boasting about TIA, more puzzled that it did as well as it did with that setup. I still don't know why it did so well, so going to try to repeat that setup and see what happens in Gold. Maybe I get shit stomped into demotion, or maybe it does well again. I don't know, but if I am on to something, I want the higher level of competition that Gold gives to truly test it out.
That is a PERFECT example of people reading into a different meaning than what I had intended. Not once did I brag about not needing to game plan to beat anyone. Instead, I kept saying how surprised I was that TIA was winning without game planning. I kept expecting the bubble to burst and go back to being a good Silver team, but not one that could compete against the best Silver and Gold teams. But for some unknown reason, TIA kept winning, and it was pissing me off that I couldn't explain why. My saying this in a few forums wasn't meant to be bragging, but rather than I had been lucky so far and was expecting to lose. But no, people took my words and twisted mean that I was bragging about not needing to game plan to beat someone. That was never my meaning and if you read my comments carefully, that is never what I said or even hinted to.
And I wasn't boasting about TIA, more puzzled that it did as well as it did with that setup. I still don't know why it did so well, so going to try to repeat that setup and see what happens in Gold. Maybe I get shit stomped into demotion, or maybe it does well again. I don't know, but if I am on to something, I want the higher level of competition that Gold gives to truly test it out.
That is a PERFECT example of people reading into a different meaning than what I had intended. Not once did I brag about not needing to game plan to beat anyone. Instead, I kept saying how surprised I was that TIA was winning without game planning. I kept expecting the bubble to burst and go back to being a good Silver team, but not one that could compete against the best Silver and Gold teams. But for some unknown reason, TIA kept winning, and it was pissing me off that I couldn't explain why. My saying this in a few forums wasn't meant to be bragging, but rather than I had been lucky so far and was expecting to lose. But no, people took my words and twisted mean that I was bragging about not needing to game plan to beat someone. That was never my meaning and if you read my comments carefully, that is never what I said or even hinted to.
Oh man...now Gerr is defending himself for having 2 teams in gold. Dont defend yourself man. You DID go back on your word after all the bitching you did when RK had two teams up here. Seriously, its like every forum I go to with you in it you are ranting and raving about some retarded something. Demote your team or field it with CPUs this season...you want to bring integrity to the game then this is what you should do until you actually start standing up for what you believe in then shut up. You are going to get harped on for this if you keep on with it.
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I never said I wouldn't have 2 Gold teams, only that I think it is unfair to do so and rules should be put in place to prevent it. Thus getting a 2nd Gold team didn't go against my word, but it does go against what I do believe to be fair. However, though hypocritical on my part, this was done on purpose this season partly due to the less than warm reception I got for my original posts back in S20. So this season in part is a big middle finger to all those who stood against me in S20, especially those who knew my idea was right but thought it would be more fun to slam me personally.
But in an effort to make things at least semi-fair, TIA will be a non-scouting, semi-competitive No-No team and will have a different OC & DC than my Bears team. So while owned by the same person, they will be very different teams. I feel this is a lot more fair than two full boost/ceq teams with the same OC & DC but owned by different people. TIA will remain in Gold until people realize that sharing OC/DC's is just as unfair if not more than owning two teams, or until they are demoted. To be honest, a non-scouting No-No team shouldn't last long in Gold, but we shall see.
But in an effort to make things at least semi-fair, TIA will be a non-scouting, semi-competitive No-No team and will have a different OC & DC than my Bears team. So while owned by the same person, they will be very different teams. I feel this is a lot more fair than two full boost/ceq teams with the same OC & DC but owned by different people. TIA will remain in Gold until people realize that sharing OC/DC's is just as unfair if not more than owning two teams, or until they are demoted. To be honest, a non-scouting No-No team shouldn't last long in Gold, but we shall see.
Edited by Gerr on Apr 28, 2011 12:07:38
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First I will vouch that Gerr did not plan or scout for TIA. And is being honest about being surprised by their success. We had many conversations and laughs about their success. (Note they beat the Bears many times in scrimmages). Has no bearing on the main topic at hand but the nonetheless it is true.
Now my personal opinions:
Sure I think it can be unfair to have 2 gold teams. But only because you have 2 opportunities to try things out and will be more likely to find successful plays against gold league talent. But it is not that much different then having a good silver team and scheduling many private scrimmages against your gold team. Just takes a little more work because you have to change up the plays if you are trying to do something in particular.
I personally think it is worse to have a partial CEQ and no/no team. Then two competitive teams like PNP and SBWL. Because both those teams goal is to win Gold. Where as the TIA's primary function is testing. And that testing is taking up a spot that some other team could get that is trying to compete (and yes TIA maybe able to compete better than that team). For me it is all about the intent of the team. I think both have advantages over other teams. But team TIA is worse from the "league competition" perspective.
Summary: IMO
RK had an advantage with TP and Maine
LE and ZMJ have an advantage with PNP and SBWL
Gerr and Bevo have an advantage with 85 Bears and TIA
No No partial CEQ teams used primarily for testing is worse for league from competitive perspective than two full boosting who are hell bent on winning gold (of which neither will win gold....
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Side Note:
Damn Gerr you should have moved the Bears to the East. That could have been fun to get a new perspective on the regular season.............
Now my personal opinions:
Sure I think it can be unfair to have 2 gold teams. But only because you have 2 opportunities to try things out and will be more likely to find successful plays against gold league talent. But it is not that much different then having a good silver team and scheduling many private scrimmages against your gold team. Just takes a little more work because you have to change up the plays if you are trying to do something in particular.
I personally think it is worse to have a partial CEQ and no/no team. Then two competitive teams like PNP and SBWL. Because both those teams goal is to win Gold. Where as the TIA's primary function is testing. And that testing is taking up a spot that some other team could get that is trying to compete (and yes TIA maybe able to compete better than that team). For me it is all about the intent of the team. I think both have advantages over other teams. But team TIA is worse from the "league competition" perspective.
Summary: IMO
RK had an advantage with TP and Maine
LE and ZMJ have an advantage with PNP and SBWL
Gerr and Bevo have an advantage with 85 Bears and TIA
No No partial CEQ teams used primarily for testing is worse for league from competitive perspective than two full boosting who are hell bent on winning gold (of which neither will win gold....
)Side Note:
Damn Gerr you should have moved the Bears to the East. That could have been fun to get a new perspective on the regular season.............
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Thanks for being honest Bevo.
Didn't think of that side of things, where having a 2nd lesser Gold team is more unfair because it could be used as a tester team. With the sole purpose of that team being to better the other team. Nnot sure that I would consider that better than what is happening on PNP/SBWL, but not worse either.
TIA is in Gold for S22 and there is nothing I can do about it, so I will use TIA as I had intended for S22. If TIA isn't demoted for S23, I will find someone worthy to take over TIA for next season. There are plenty of Gold talent coordinators who don't have a team of their own who would be willing to take over TIA and keep that team's tradition alive. Let me know of anyone is interested, and still looking for a DC for this season.
I really enjoy running a No-No team solo, but I tend to dominate Silver, but it really doesn't belong in Gold either. I wish the admins would do something to make Silver more competitive, or add another league in between Gold & Silver...
Maybe I will just run the offense on TIA and let someone learn the defensive side of the ball. That combo should be enough to keep TIA or what ever Silver team I run out of Gold in future seasons.
As for moving the Bears to the East instead of TIA, too late, but the Bears have been a dominate West team, at least in the regular season, since S14, so couldn't bring myself to move them...
Didn't think of that side of things, where having a 2nd lesser Gold team is more unfair because it could be used as a tester team. With the sole purpose of that team being to better the other team. Nnot sure that I would consider that better than what is happening on PNP/SBWL, but not worse either.
TIA is in Gold for S22 and there is nothing I can do about it, so I will use TIA as I had intended for S22. If TIA isn't demoted for S23, I will find someone worthy to take over TIA for next season. There are plenty of Gold talent coordinators who don't have a team of their own who would be willing to take over TIA and keep that team's tradition alive. Let me know of anyone is interested, and still looking for a DC for this season.
I really enjoy running a No-No team solo, but I tend to dominate Silver, but it really doesn't belong in Gold either. I wish the admins would do something to make Silver more competitive, or add another league in between Gold & Silver...
Maybe I will just run the offense on TIA and let someone learn the defensive side of the ball. That combo should be enough to keep TIA or what ever Silver team I run out of Gold in future seasons.
As for moving the Bears to the East instead of TIA, too late, but the Bears have been a dominate West team, at least in the regular season, since S14, so couldn't bring myself to move them...
Edited by Gerr on Apr 28, 2011 14:23:11
Edited by Gerr on Apr 28, 2011 14:22:31
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Originally posted by Gerr
TIA is in Gold for S22 and there is nothing I can do about it, so I will use TIA as I had intended for S22.
I'm not complaining about you having 2 teams in gold and I don't have a dog in this fight (I admit I raised the question b/c I thought there was a rule against it, but I was wrong, had forgotten about RK). You're not doing anything against the rules, so I don't really care, I have no issue with it.
But I am pretty sure you could still get TIA demoted and swap with another team if you wanted. So there is something you could do about it
TIA is in Gold for S22 and there is nothing I can do about it, so I will use TIA as I had intended for S22.
I'm not complaining about you having 2 teams in gold and I don't have a dog in this fight (I admit I raised the question b/c I thought there was a rule against it, but I was wrong, had forgotten about RK). You're not doing anything against the rules, so I don't really care, I have no issue with it.
But I am pretty sure you could still get TIA demoted and swap with another team if you wanted. So there is something you could do about it
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I thought people have tried in the past and failed, that no demotions are granted for teams that don't want to be in Gold?
And in case you are interested Ping, if you want to DC in Gold again, you can have the TIA DC job. Up to you how much time you want to spend on it, be serious or just have fun and experiment. It would be good for Spread-em, who I am helping learn the defensive side of the ball, see what a different Gold level defense would look like. I know you are OC on STD and they are in the East, wouldn't matter to me if you threw that game. Let me know if interested.
I am running the offense on TIA, so will play with it some, mostly to have fun, but not game planning. I do plan on using it to play with the new plays a fair amount.
And in case you are interested Ping, if you want to DC in Gold again, you can have the TIA DC job. Up to you how much time you want to spend on it, be serious or just have fun and experiment. It would be good for Spread-em, who I am helping learn the defensive side of the ball, see what a different Gold level defense would look like. I know you are OC on STD and they are in the East, wouldn't matter to me if you threw that game. Let me know if interested.
I am running the offense on TIA, so will play with it some, mostly to have fun, but not game planning. I do plan on using it to play with the new plays a fair amount.
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Originally posted by Gerr
I never said I wouldn't have 2 Gold teams, only that I think it is unfair to do so and rules should be put in place to prevent it. Thus getting a 2nd Gold team didn't go against my word, but it does go against what I do believe to be fair. However, though hypocritical on my part, this was done on purpose this season partly due to the less than warm reception I got for my original posts back in S20. So this season in part is a big middle finger to all those who stood against me in S20, especially those who knew my idea was right but thought it would be more fun to slam me personally.
Did you get your feelings hurt back in S20? lol That's what you expect from toddlers not grown ups. It's like little kids begging for icecream and their parent begrudgingly buys them one but the kid keeps crying because of less than warm reception. Change the kid to Gerr and that's exactly what we are seeing right now. If you don't want people making fun of you then don't post at all, period.
Again, I can care less if you have 20 teams or 50 teams. I never complained about that for once but yeah at least let me have fun poking fun of your attention whoring tendency and the rare ability of contradicting yourself the very next min.
Whether Gerr game planned for TIA or not, only Gerr knows. I don't know how anybody can know unless they live together or something. Gerr already admitted that he changed plays but just not based on his opponent. (only he knows the reasoning behind his decision) Just don't be a sore winner and bring that out. Just like how I didn't bring out that I barely did anything when I beat Gerr's 85 Bears with no/no. (that was piece of cake to be honest
) 85Bears had so many weakness on defense, I really didn't need to put much time. I was just shocked how a so called elite coordinator could leave so many holes like that.
I just didn't think it would be a classy thing to say after winning that game but I guess this is the right time to bring that out
I never said I wouldn't have 2 Gold teams, only that I think it is unfair to do so and rules should be put in place to prevent it. Thus getting a 2nd Gold team didn't go against my word, but it does go against what I do believe to be fair. However, though hypocritical on my part, this was done on purpose this season partly due to the less than warm reception I got for my original posts back in S20. So this season in part is a big middle finger to all those who stood against me in S20, especially those who knew my idea was right but thought it would be more fun to slam me personally.
Did you get your feelings hurt back in S20? lol That's what you expect from toddlers not grown ups. It's like little kids begging for icecream and their parent begrudgingly buys them one but the kid keeps crying because of less than warm reception. Change the kid to Gerr and that's exactly what we are seeing right now. If you don't want people making fun of you then don't post at all, period.
Again, I can care less if you have 20 teams or 50 teams. I never complained about that for once but yeah at least let me have fun poking fun of your attention whoring tendency and the rare ability of contradicting yourself the very next min.
Whether Gerr game planned for TIA or not, only Gerr knows. I don't know how anybody can know unless they live together or something. Gerr already admitted that he changed plays but just not based on his opponent. (only he knows the reasoning behind his decision) Just don't be a sore winner and bring that out. Just like how I didn't bring out that I barely did anything when I beat Gerr's 85 Bears with no/no. (that was piece of cake to be honest
) 85Bears had so many weakness on defense, I really didn't need to put much time. I was just shocked how a so called elite coordinator could leave so many holes like that. I just didn't think it would be a classy thing to say after winning that game but I guess this is the right time to bring that out
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Originally posted by Gerr
I really enjoy running a No-No team solo, but I tend to dominate Silver, but it really doesn't belong in Gold either. I wish the admins would do something to make Silver more competitive, or add another league in between Gold & Silver...
Instead of waiting for an admin you know to be less than efficient to 'do something' how about you take responsibility for your own actions?
This is exactly the the type of whining I referred to on another thread.
No-one can stop you being just too damn awesome for your own good, I guess.
Guys with your level of experience belong in the Gold league, period - no swimming around the Silver leagues ganking newbies (alot of whom, myself included, don't intend to boost ever) and then bemoaning the lack of talent there.
There is no Copper league per se - so guys new to Pee-Wee have the option of jumping in at Silver - most likely to find Gold level talent like yourself revelling in your own awesomeness by ganking anyone in their 1st Pee Wee season.
"But i'm going No/No"
Big friggin' deal - you guys have been circulating build plans and tactics amongst your incestuous little group for multiple seasons - sure some of it is now leaking out in the threads LE creates but this seems more like an exercise in guilt relief than anything else.
I don't want a Gold level co-ord to come onto my team and 'teach' (ie fully install then explain to) me how to run both sides of the game - thats called being handed things on a Silver platter (pardon the pun) I want to learn how to do it.
If guys really can't work it out themselves then they can build a DOT for an established Gold Level team (which already happens) and learn as an Asst Co-ord.
Sorry, but if you can't run either side of the tactics then you have no business owning a team - its a lazy way out.
Every other promotion/demotion based league system i'm familiar with in the real world DOES NOT require you to beat talent currently residing in the tier above to be judged 'good enough' - you prove yourself the best at your own grade them you move up with the big boys and learn.
Even though I have quoted Gerr, I am really talking to all those guys who indulge themselves in the practice of sharking around Silver leagues - you are fckin with the natural balance of things - even if you don't own two teams in Gold alot of you are heavily involved in more than one.
That number will increase even more this year.
Copper league appears to be officially dead - Silver won't be long behind it.
I really enjoy running a No-No team solo, but I tend to dominate Silver, but it really doesn't belong in Gold either. I wish the admins would do something to make Silver more competitive, or add another league in between Gold & Silver...
Instead of waiting for an admin you know to be less than efficient to 'do something' how about you take responsibility for your own actions?
This is exactly the the type of whining I referred to on another thread.
No-one can stop you being just too damn awesome for your own good, I guess.
Guys with your level of experience belong in the Gold league, period - no swimming around the Silver leagues ganking newbies (alot of whom, myself included, don't intend to boost ever) and then bemoaning the lack of talent there.
There is no Copper league per se - so guys new to Pee-Wee have the option of jumping in at Silver - most likely to find Gold level talent like yourself revelling in your own awesomeness by ganking anyone in their 1st Pee Wee season.
"But i'm going No/No"
Big friggin' deal - you guys have been circulating build plans and tactics amongst your incestuous little group for multiple seasons - sure some of it is now leaking out in the threads LE creates but this seems more like an exercise in guilt relief than anything else.
I don't want a Gold level co-ord to come onto my team and 'teach' (ie fully install then explain to) me how to run both sides of the game - thats called being handed things on a Silver platter (pardon the pun) I want to learn how to do it.
If guys really can't work it out themselves then they can build a DOT for an established Gold Level team (which already happens) and learn as an Asst Co-ord.
Sorry, but if you can't run either side of the tactics then you have no business owning a team - its a lazy way out.
Every other promotion/demotion based league system i'm familiar with in the real world DOES NOT require you to beat talent currently residing in the tier above to be judged 'good enough' - you prove yourself the best at your own grade them you move up with the big boys and learn.
Even though I have quoted Gerr, I am really talking to all those guys who indulge themselves in the practice of sharking around Silver leagues - you are fckin with the natural balance of things - even if you don't own two teams in Gold alot of you are heavily involved in more than one.
That number will increase even more this year.
Copper league appears to be officially dead - Silver won't be long behind it.
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http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=7609
Just can't stay out of silver eh?
Just can't stay out of silver eh?
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Originally posted by LordEvil
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=7609
Just can't stay out of silver eh?
I was with them last season, and a few seasons ago as well. Trying to teach seb0280 how to run a good defense.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=7609
Just can't stay out of silver eh?
I was with them last season, and a few seasons ago as well. Trying to teach seb0280 how to run a good defense.
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Originally posted by Gerr
I was with them last season, and a few seasons ago as well. Trying to teach seb0280 how to run a good defense.
seb0280 can't read any of the multiple defensive AI guides?
He's too lazy to try and work it out himself?
He needs his own pet gold level co-ord to come in and do it himself?
Embarrassing.
I was with them last season, and a few seasons ago as well. Trying to teach seb0280 how to run a good defense.
seb0280 can't read any of the multiple defensive AI guides?
He's too lazy to try and work it out himself?
He needs his own pet gold level co-ord to come in and do it himself?
Embarrassing.
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