Originally posted by Clinton Esquire
Originally posted by Lorenzo Express
Well, we can see a select few on this site have not received the education they so desperately needed. First, Clinton - that is perhaps the most disrespectful comment I have seen on this site. I, myself as a teacher, feel the system must have let you down in some way, and that is too bad. To have this kind of resentment towards the system is an epic failure. Perhaps because it is that you were not able to receive the special education services that I could provide you? Perhaps it is because no one would play with you during recess? Who knows?
But to say "majoring in education is for morons," you are really saying that the United States is completely failing as a country. Maybe we will soon not be the world's predominant power, but we will still have a great influence. Your condemnation of our profession says that you would like to live somewhere else. Please, go right ahead.
I can a sure you that Vegas, as his co-worker, is as educated as he says he is. We both went through the UW system, that would be University of Wisconsin for you littleone, which is annually among the highest ranking systems in the country. We both attended/attending (for myself) well recognized private institutions for our master's. To come out and say someone is not who they say there, is a joke. Now, I know there are many of agents out there that make stuff up about themselves all of the time to feel better about who they are, but that is not SheVegas. He shoots from the hip all of the time, and that frankly is refreshing.
Then you have Lefty Wall. Another classy post. SheVegas stands for the nickname that was kiddingly bestowed upon our hometown. You are another example of how the system failed. If you want to go that far with your comments, go right ahead. But know that the two of us are very secure with who we are and what we do. We make a difference in children's lives. Clinton, what do you do? Can you honestly say your job has as much importance as what a teacher does? Be careful how you answer this, because I truly believe what we do is the most important thing in the world. And SheVegas is damn good at what he does and the children he works with. None of you would last more then a week with those kids.
Ahh, well Lorenzo, allow me to retort.
All childish "you didn't have friends at recess" comments aside, your post is lacking in substance.
Your "profession" if you choose to call it that, attracts the dimwitted to it - while I will stand behind my comment, I do not blame you for being attracted to the subject, as most of you have a heavy heart and "want to make a difference" in the world. Unfortunately you also take the easy route to do such a thing.
In that respect, I actually see more negative than positive, because instead of trying to make the world a better place by employing those who could properly reach and teach our youth, we get an industry which employs those who generally are not the most capable for the task at hand. We get the hearts, but unfortunately, the minds are generally looking for more successful fields to be a part of, rather than fields where the oldest (who are generally the least competent for the job) are considered the most successful. Tenure is a terrible thing. The fact that most of you will spend $50k on an education that takes 5 years to complete, only to return $30k/year career speaks volumes for why you must enter it if you're not stupid... I believe a truly qualified teacher should make six figures. Unfortunately I don't think 95% of those in the industry are qualified for it.
Never mind the fact that routinely, across the country, at any college, education majors rank among the highest average GPA - is that because education majors are smarter than the average student? Absolutely not. It's because the rest of the collegiate world has decided to cover its eyes to the fact that the students are not graded in any sort of reasonable manner whatsoever. The fact that most masters programs will allow those who wish to enter the program dozens of attempts at the MSAT in order to get that extra student and additional funding to their programs is disgusting. Being a 3.5 student as an education major is about the equivalent of a 2.5 GPA for any other real major.
I know quite a bit about Madison-Wisconsin as that was one of the schools I had considered for my undergraduate, and I also attended nearby University of Chicago for my masters. They do have quite a good school there at UW, but unfortunately like any other education program, it is a laughing stock.
So good for you, and can I honestly say my job has greater importance than that of a teacher? Most certainly I can. I do not rely on the subjective statement, "touching the life of a child," (which is also an arrogant and asinine statement to boot) when saying that I have made a difference in the world today.
One of my biggest problems with the educational system is their refusal to allow standardized testing scores to be the basis for judgment on their performance. The truth to the matter is that while the education system has been flushed with more master degrees that necessary, our output from public education has declined year over year compared to most other civilized nations. Rather than accept the fact that we need a drastic overhaul of our current system, the educational system keeps putting band aids on things, classifying things as "learning disabilities," and refusing to use statistical data - you know that pesky statistical data that every other successful industry relies on to better itself - as a measure of performance.
With all of that said, I dated an education major during most of my undergraduate years because she had a smoking hot body. I met more stupid people enrolled with her in that masters program than I've ever met anywhere else in my life. Glad to know I've got two more of you here Lorenzo and SheVegas.
Trying to cover our field with a blanket statement is quite naive. You have no idea what it takes to qualify for special education. Everything in our area is dependent upon standardized scores. And have you heard about a little thing call, "No Child Left Behind?" There are measures being taken to get to a more objective level, but it will take a while.
I love the fact about how you think you make a bigger difference, though. It is becuase of people like you that the educational system is where it is. Twenty years ago no student would ever think about talking back to a teacher and if there was ever a dispute the parent would tend to side with the teacher. Now, the child can do nothing wrong, which is in my opinion, and I have only been teaching for a few years, where the system is failing. If your cliental were in a horrible frame of mind, could you succeed in your profession? I think not. It is now our job to work through these difficulties and basically teach to the standards.
I really don't know why I feel like justifying myself to someonen like yourself. I mean, when you say someone doesn't know shit and call them a faggot, you do not deserve any respect. But you come from the private sector where everything is grand! There are no morons in those fields. Okay Ahmadinejad! I agree there are teachers out there that should not be, but every field has that. To insult everyone who enters this field is a joke. I will place my IQ against anyone's. It is what I felt compelled to do in life. Life certainly is not all about money. If that were the case, I would have jumped on the job offered to me out of school, for the company I worked at over the summers, and make $150-200K per year. That really doesn't matter to me, at all. I take the challenge of where this country is going, due to views like your's, and will try to fix it.
