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Originally posted by ellix
I agree, EotP should never fire on the over the top. I just want Zone Shark to fire for them

I would push for EotP removing the need for over the top and just being in Zone period if in the long run we see LB's are nerfed as a way to balance out the defense.

And yes, Zone Shark shouldn't need any requirement other than to be in Zone, let our Safeties actually have a solid SA to use.


Originally posted by Cybertron

If anything, passing was nerfed.

Yes, but we all agreed that non-star QBs like Dredgar's getting almost 70% in a season was a bit too high.



Originally posted by dredgar
. And what does passing getting nerfed do for zone defense? It makes it even better. And go watch the scrimmages my team have been in. Those defenses looked better against the pass, not just the pass worse. And they did make zone shark better.


56% completion in a snowstorm vs a top tier Zone defense isn't terrible and neither is 58% completion in a snowstorm vs hybrid man/zone. 3 picks per game also doesn't sound unreasonable when the dots you are facing are built to get TO's. Zone is built for TO's as part of game balance.

Like I said before, let's run scrims tomorrow after the weather resets. Two games in shit weather isn't the best way to get an accurate analysis.


Originally posted by ThePh33P


Changes look pretty cool to me, only thing i would look at is any catches behind the LOS should get that balance buff instead of only screens

Pocket Awareness not being an ignored stat is a good change and giving more weight to pass power is always a plus.

Screens have been a big part of my offenses for a long time so its great to see they are getting buffs.

ZS and EOTP are less buffs and more just a simplification of the ability which is great for new players.


Screens did look better to me, however. And yes, these QB stats need to not be ignored and have some weight, Accr, Awr, Pwr, Tech, etc.


If the changes are too much, it can always have its modifier dialed back a little bit once we know for sure... 2 games in the snow isn't enough to judge yet. I have a non-star QB pocket passer and I don't want him to play like shit either.

Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar

Yes, but we all agreed that non-star QBs like Dredgar's getting almost 70% in a season was a bit too high.


How is it high? Southside is a great team that often depletes their opponent's morale on defense. 69% comp from great playcalling is in line with the NFL. 10% int rate for zone defenses isn't. Most QBs are bad in GLB, look around league stats.

Bob Murdoch V ran for 8.6 ypc his final Vet season. Should rushing be nerfed? My answer would be no since the game would be boring. But with passing the nerfs just keep coming.

Originally posted by BoDiddley

How is it high? Southside is a great team that often depletes their opponent's morale on defense. 69% comp from great playcalling is in line with the NFL. 10% int rate for zone defenses isn't. Most QBs are bad in GLB, look around league stats.

Bob Murdoch V ran for 8.6 ypc his final Vet season. Should rushing be nerfed? My answer would be no since the game would be boring. But with passing the nerfs just keep coming.

This is what i think too, also the fact only my QB did this. My vet run before this i had a season at 71%. If i was seeing all of the QB do this i would be on Myrik side. But its only my QB doing this. Most others are low 60s.

This is kinda a nerf to TE tbh, harder passing over the middle should cut down on the te spam

Originally posted by ThePh33P
This is kinda a nerf to TE tbh, harder passing over the middle should cut down on the te spam

I agree, which yes could be a good thing except for the fact passing to non star WR has never been very good.

That is soooo pretty.

https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/814362/1842430

Holieway has been throwing some ducks today though....

Pass Power has definitely been nerfed. Holieway's passes look like pee wee league now...lol

https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/814362/1842988

Originally posted by Cybertron
That is soooo pretty.

https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/814362/1842430

Holieway has been throwing some ducks today though....

Pass Power has definitely been nerfed. Holieway's passes look like pee wee league now...lol

https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/814362/1842988

private scrim

Originally posted by BoDiddley

How is it high? Southside is a great team that often depletes their opponent's morale on defense. 69% comp from great playcalling is in line with the NFL. 10% int rate for zone defenses isn't. Most QBs are bad in GLB, look around league stats.


How is 69% not high for a non-star? I had a solid passing attack with my QB on KY last Run and he only had like 64%: https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/318146

...and I'd say passing was better now (last season) than the previous by comparison here is my KY just before that one: https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/288725

Those zone dots are built to get Ints, they are performing exactly as they should perform. I get we want the game to be fun, but defense is fun too, and we need game balance.

Originally posted by BoDiddley
How is it high? Southside is a great team that often depletes their opponent's morale on defense. 69% comp from great playcalling is in line with the NFL. 10% int rate for zone defenses isn't. Most QBs are bad in GLB, look around league stats.

And how many of the NFL 70% completion rate is dink and dunk short passes and screens, compared to the 70% on here that's almost entirely throwing 12 yard passes to the TE over the middle?

Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
How is 69% not high for a non-star? I had a solid passing attack with my QB on KY last Run and he only had like 64%: https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/318146

...and I'd say passing was better now (last season) than the previous by comparison here is my KY just before that one: https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/288725

Those zone dots are built to get Ints, they are performing exactly as they should perform. I get we want the game to be fun, but defense is fun too, and we need game balance.

Teams should watch my games and you would understand. During games against CPU we threw the ball maybe 16 times and half of them screens. We also hardly ever passed on 3rd and long downs. we would just run a counter and reduce the sack morale loss. Those things really played into us not having bad completion rates.

Originally posted by Corndog
And how many of the NFL 70% completion rate is dink and dunk short passes and screens, compared to the 70% on here that's almost entirely throwing 12 yard passes to the TE over the middle?

last i checked tom brady and drew brees both held above 65% almost always doing exactly that for years.

Originally posted by Corndog
And how many of the NFL 70% completion rate is dink and dunk short passes and screens, compared to the 70% on here that's almost entirely throwing 12 yard passes to the TE over the middle?

Correct...you can't just look at %. You have to look at % and YPC.

Originally posted by dredgar
last i checked tom brady and drew brees both held above 65% almost always doing exactly that for years.

Not according to this
https://rbsdm.com/stats/heat_maps/

Originally posted by dredgar
last i checked tom brady and drew brees both held above 65% almost always doing exactly that for years.

They are 2 of the best QBs in the history of the NFL too...rofl

According to that Brady throws to the weak side shallows a lot.