Warrior General Games

Originally posted by TxSteve
I hear what you're saying. I'm just trying to figure out -- the people who say "I love the lurks" / "I like the lurks" -- or even "lurks have done wonders for the passing defense" -- I'm trying to find who is successfully using them.

Bhall: love them but I'm a run stopping team don't count me.
You: love them but I'm a blitzing team so don't count me.

I get it, but it's more so that we see potential at the Veteran level, so we're excited about young teams coming up who will be built to better utilize these plays. So some of the pitfalls the Veteran teams see, such as getting Pump Faked or even reacting to the pass as it's incoming, will be avoided by defenders who have Zone Awareness.

So a defender in a Lurk/Robber who 2 out of 5 times does what you want with a build that's not good for it, you think, hey, with a better build that could be 4 out of 5 times and this play could be nice.

Also, are there any linebackers in the entirety of GLB2 that have Gold Zone Shark?

Originally posted by TxSteve
They did run a lot last season. 643 passes in 3WR sets.

326 C2 double lurk 62 times / 69.4% completion / 7.1/10.3
326 C1 double lurk 51 times / 60.8% completion / 5.5/9.1

No Lurk data should be used from seasons past. The Lurk's were flat out broken.
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/forum/thread/5229285

TE Post MURDERED the Lurk's since the SS that was supposed to be guarding the TE in man coverage was actually picking daisies somewhere in a Cover 2 zone.

That's why Bort did this:
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/forum/thread/5132647?page=6#49062707
Originally posted by Bort
- Previously existing cover 1 double lurk plays (nickel, dime 3-2-6) also have been fixed to actually be cover 1 and not cover 2

txsteve is still have a 3 wr argument i see.

Really still just trying to figure out your statement -- most of the time you seem to know what you're talking about...

but: "The lurks have done wonders for pass defense."

must have been sarcasm that I missed.

i look beyond just 3 WR. There are teams out there that regularly use plays like TE Crosses, TE Slant, TE Quick Hit, etc. I know that Logzilla is the thing right now to stop. But I don't have to worry about Logzilla in seasoned and sophomore levels.

Originally posted by bhall43
i look beyond just 3 WR. There are teams out there that regularly use plays like TE Crosses, TE Slant, TE Quick Hit, etc. I know that Logzilla is the thing right now to stop. But I don't have to worry about Logzilla in seasoned and sophomore levels.

the appropriate response here is:

lolsophomore

lolseasoned

Originally posted by Galithor
the appropriate response here is:

lolsophomore

lolseasoned



steve probably didn't think it was so lol when Ashland smashed Fury in the last ladder game last season and he went 2 for 18 on 3rd down against the shitty lurk plays.

Here,

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/game/190235

I called a specific offense this game to make a point... Every run up the middle with a S* Power HB and another Power HB behind an all run blocking line against a D line with a Soph and 3 guys with 71 chem... Only 2.7 yards a carry and 3 broken tackles.. Nah running isn't nerfed too bad. (or shed block buffed to much)



And my 4 CB's FS and SS and LB are pass stopping only... Almost 55% completion.

You lost on purpose to prove a point? A scrim would've done the same thing.

Originally posted by Absolut Zero
You lost on purpose to prove a point? A scrim would've done the same thing.

Yes and no... I didn't think I would actually lose. Why would I think that defensive line would hold my RB's under 3.5 yrds a carry? Every play had a FB blocker too. I still put up the best effort possible on defense and still got shredded.

Originally posted by crazieveggie
And my 4 CB's FS and SS and LB are pass stopping only... Almost 55% completion.

Against 2 TE: Double Lurk - called 8 times, 25% completion allowed, Hurry 12.5%, Sack 25%
Against 2 WR: Cover 2 Man Under - called 29 times, 48.3% completion allowed, Hurry 10.3%, Sack 6.9%
Against 3 WR: Over Will Mike Blitz - called 45 times, 62.2% completion allowed, Hurry 17.8%, Sack 2.2%

Maybe your team's just not built to run that defensive play against 3WR sets, and you should try others. Perhaps some Lurk's against 3WR?

Originally posted by crazieveggie
Yes and no... I didn't think I would actually lose. Why would I think that defensive line would hold my RB's under 3.5 yrds a carry? Every play had a FB blocker too. I still put up the best effort possible on defense and still got shredded.

Just checked and he ran a 5-2 formation or Middle Overload on 43 of your 55 offensive plays. Really? You're complaining about having the inside run game shut down against those defensive plays? Really?

http://media.giphy.com/media/F8bo1LU5U5ApG/giphy.gif

The 7 times BSB ran a conventional 4-3 defensive play, you ran for 4.3 yards per carry. So on 12.7% of your plays against a formation you'd rather run inside against, you had 24% of your total yardage.

Originally posted by Absolut Zero
Just checked and he ran a 5-2 formation or Middle Overload on 43 of your 55 offensive plays. Really? You're complaining about having the inside run game shut down against those defensive plays? Really?

http://media.giphy.com/media/F8bo1LU5U5ApG/giphy.gif

The 7 times BSB ran a conventional 4-3 defensive play, you ran for 4.3 yards per carry. So on 12.7% of your plays against a formation you'd rather run inside against, you had 24% of your total yardage.

A 5-2 with a DT 5 levels lower and 71 chem on the others... Please. Yes I think that is a little OP. Maybe I'm wrong in that thought process.

Originally posted by crazieveggie
A 5-2 with a DT 5 levels lower and 71 chem on the others... Please. Yes I think that is a little OP. Maybe I'm wrong in that thought process.

yeah you are wrong sorry. never put all your eggs in one basket either. imo, complain less, learn more and gl to you in the future

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/game/190696/pbp

Someone want to run the numbers on double lurk in this scrim?

26 times against 85 passes

50% completion
8.3 / 16.5
no sacks

for comparison:

OWMB1
33 times
42.4%
4.8/11.4
1 sack
9 hurries

335 man
25 times
40%
6.7/16.7