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jdbolick
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Originally posted by PierreThomas
Who said we'd be just as good if we were a predominantly passing team? Sure as hell wasn't me.

You said: "while the running part of the sim "fell into our hands" it did so only because it is the strong part of the sim this season and it just shows up more. If the passing game was worth a shit people would see just how amazing players like Dwayne Wade, Woody Forrest, Ramsey Lewis and PHR are. On top of it all we have a player like Ghetto Heisman mentoring."

rosebowlchamps also said: "I think you are talking out of your ass on this one. If it were the s12 sim, Chocolate Blaze would have the best passing attack in GLB to go along with its tremendous run game."

Let's be clear up front that the passing game isn't "shit" or "broken" or whatever other excuse you want to use. The running game is obviously better in the current sim, but the alternative is certainly viable. Valhalla passes more than it runs, and they've clearly been outstanding. HHW also passes 63.8% of the time. I absolutely don't blame you guys for going run-heavy in this sim, but it's annoying that you don't want to admit how the S13 sim has obviously helped you.

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I'll let you decide. Here is one of my OGs from the Cs that wasn't good enough to make the cut for the Blaze. It isn't like he was just nudged out either, we have two other OGs that are better than this one on the Cs.

If you said that you guys had the best offensive line in the game, I don't imagine that I would have disagreed. It's saying "Our worst offensive linemen has a better build than most teams best player, the talent gap is huge and I'm not bragging, it is just a fact" that makes you look like a pompous ass. That and: "our backups are probably built better than any other teams starters at every single position."

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As for you not thinking we wouldn't be undefeated right now because of our running game. Our defense is the strength of the team.

CB's defense is awesome, but it looks even better because of dominating time of possession and killing the morale of the other team by running it down their throats. The two sides of the ball aren't totally independent.
 
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Originally posted by jdbolick

CB's defense is awesome, but it looks even better because of dominating time of possession and killing the morale of the other team by running it down their throats. The two sides of the ball aren't totally independent.


Well what am I supposed to say? Our builds are average and we just lucked into a rushing sim but somehow we just put up much better numbers than other teams and it must be luck of the draw? Our backups are built better than most teams starters, not all but most. We aren't beating other WL teams by 100 points for no reason.

The passing game is garbage, you know it and I know it. Yes, Valhalla is passing the ball around like crazy. The passing game went from speed being the only thing that matters to speed being completely worthless. The sim went 110% away from our WRs, I don't see how that favors us. I just got done watching the Cs vs Purple Penguins game. The Penguins completed over 60% of their passes against us. I'd say half or more where in double, triple or quadruple coverage. A good WR build in this sim is 70 speed, 100 agility, 70 catching, 70 jumping, 60 vision, 60 strength with a shit ton of possession SAs, VAs and AEQ.

The good WRs in this sim (that catch 60% of passes thrown to them) are slower than every defensive lineman, LB, SS, FS, CB and even some of the offensive linemen on the team. When was the last time you saw a WR run a 5.2 40 and have teams drooling over him? When was the last football teams offense based on throwing a ball up for grabs to get a 6 yard gain? If that isn't fucked up to you then all I can suggest is to watch more football.

As for Rosebowl's comments, season 12 had two different passing games. The first half of the season was completely different from the 2nd half of the season. If we had the first half of season 12 then yeah, we'd be burning the passing game up right now.
 
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Originally posted by PierreThomas
Well what am I supposed to say?

That the changes in the S13 sim suited your team very well. That and probably not saying that your backups are better than any other team's starters.

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The passing game is garbage, you know it and I know it. Yes, Valhalla is passing the ball around like crazy.

O_o
Edited by jdbolick on Dec 30, 2009 15:11:02
 
Gart888
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lol, jd is on fire right now.
 
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Originally posted by Rick James
See, I never did things just to do them, come on, i mean, what am i gonna do, just, just all of a sudden just jump up and grind my feet on somebody's couch? Like it's-like it's y'know, somethin' to do? Come on, I got a little more sense than that. Yeah, I remember grinding my feet on Eddie's couch.

 
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PierreThomas
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Originally posted by Gart888
lol, jd is on fire right now.


lol, maybe he is right, maybe Hali's passing game just sucks and it isn't a problem with the sim.

I admit it, I'm wrong, the passing game is phenominal.
 
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Originally posted by Gart888
lol, jd is on fire right now.


Heh, this is still going on? He may be right about the backups/passing game, but about if the changes suited our team, he really has no idea, nor do you cutie.
 
jdbolick
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Originally posted by blln4lyf
Heh, this is still going on? He may be right about the backups/passing game, but about if the changes suited our team, he really has no idea, nor do you cutie.

Sure, because whether or not painting flames on a car makes it go faster has to do with what the driver of the car thinks, and not the speedometer.


Originally posted by PierreThomas
lol, maybe he is right, maybe Hali's passing game just sucks and it isn't a problem with the sim.

No http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=47328 , and not enough http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=45510
Edited by jdbolick on Dec 30, 2009 16:25:24
 
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Originally posted by blln4lyf
Originally posted by Gart888

lol, jd is on fire right now.


Heh, this is still going on?


yeah, jd is mighty persistent when he's wrong.
 
jdbolick
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Originally posted by ijg
yeah, jd is mighty persistent when he's wrong.

There actually is a private forum dedicated to getting over feelings of bitterness towards me. I'll see if you can get an invite.
 
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Originally posted by jdbolick


Sure, because whether or not painting flames on a car makes it go faster has to do with what the driver of the car thinks, and not the speedometer.



True, imo. Those spinning hubcaps help too.
 
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I don't wanna get in the middle of this, but two points:

1) All out speed WRs starting to suck has more to do with more people figuring out how to use zones and better blitzes than it does any changes to the sim this season IMO

2) RE: what Pierre said about speed not mattering on WRs any more, this is pretty clearly not the case. Valhalla doesn't have the fastest WRs in the game by any means but the league's leading receiver still hits 40 on the speed script consistently and our other WRs are high 30s.
 
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Originally posted by jdbolick
Originally posted by blln4lyf

Heh, this is still going on? He may be right about the backups/passing game, but about if the changes suited our team, he really has no idea, nor do you cutie.

Sure, because whether or not painting flames on a car makes it go faster has to do with what the driver of the car thinks, and not the speedometer.


It is more like giving your car a supercharger, CNC port heads, and upgrading the camshaft but you guys only seeing the speedometer
 
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Originally posted by w_alloy
I don't wanna get in the middle of this, but two points:

1) All out speed WRs starting to suck has more to do with more people figuring out how to use zones and better blitzes than it does any changes to the sim this season IMO

2) RE: what Pierre said about speed not mattering on WRs any more, this is pretty clearly not the case. Valhalla doesn't have the fastest WRs in the game by any means but the league's leading receiver still hits 40 on the speed script consistently and our other WRs are high 30s.


1 has more to do with the changes to QB release and pass rush as well IMO and 2 is not the case, but those types of WR's can be very successful.
 
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