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Ok...let's use me as an example. There are only 4 teams in my lvl 14 conference without fully completed stadiums. The team with the smallest stadium is in 3rd right now.

But according to you guys having a lot of money and a large stadium equals unfair success. Spin that one.

Originally posted by ImTheScientist
I say they follow what they have outlined. Why should you get the benefit of cheating the system?

Is a farm team cheating the system?

Originally posted by mm898989
Ok...let's use me as an example. There are only 4 teams in my lvl 14 conference without fully completed stadiums. The team with the smallest stadium is in 3rd right now.

But according to you guys having a lot of money and a large stadium equals unfair success. Spin that one.

The advantage doesn't start showing up until the teams get into the 40s, 50s, 60s, when normal teams start to have to care about their finances, while a reset team still has enough to afford tons of EQ even for 1 season rental players.

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Wha Pott said.

Originally posted by Paulieb
Is a farm team cheating the system?

It was not intended to be part of building a team, so I guess you can say it is/was. GLB wouldn't be trying to change it now if it wasn't.

Originally posted by czman
This is one of the stupidest things I have ever seen.

I understand the thinking is that teams with money have an advantage.

Is there any evidence to support that? No there is not. I have goofed around with a team with a lot of money for awhile and I can tell you it did not help me.

Winning, recruiting, and retention are all based on effort in this game. Fake GLB dollars have nothing to do with it. I have won and lost in this game and it has always been directly tied to the effort that I put in. When I lost it was because I was lazy and did not put in the effort. When I won it was because I worked hard. This is just another step in the complete wrong direction and brought about the guttural reactions of dullards.

The inherent problem with GLB is twofold.

1) Bort thinks the reason sales are down is because the tarnish has worn off instead of accepting the fact that mismanagement, and failure to give good value for the cost are the real reasons.

People will spend money on things they feel have value. If people are not spending money it should tell you something.

2) Catering to the lazy crap owners who want to win in non-casual leagues without putting forth the effort; which is what this is going to enhance, is no good for the game. Right now new players that join the game spend a season in the d leagues. They then move to a team that is not being built through an organized group. More times than not the team is owned by a lazy owner. New players are exposed to dead forums and people who do not care. Guess what they become part of that culture.

The difference between now and the way the game used to be is people used to try to win. People took owning a team seriously. That is now gone. Why is it gone though? What killed it?

I will tell you what killed it; bad owners! Bad owners sit at the bottom of the structure and reset many times. They flounder about and complain in the forums about not being able to afford gear or not being able to recruit. They cannot recruit or afford gear because they are bad owners, because they do not put in the time. That is why they have these problems.

Making it easier for bad owners and giving good owners a reason to quit is not going to make the game better. It will do the opposite.

The conclusion to this new system is very bleak. Good owners who did everything right and want to restart but find the financial part of GLB a hassle and completely uninspired boring tact on feature are going to question if it is worth it. Is GLB in the current state worth the money? Some of the good owners will say no it is not worth it.

The bad owners who never built proper stadiums and reset often will not be hindered at all and will continue being bad owners killing the moral of new players.

GLB should be taking the opposite approach. Pushing the lazy crappy owners out of ownership and rewarding people who do it right. If more owners cared and fostered a good team environment it would be better for all people especially new players.

Congratulations, I never thought it was possible, I have now seen something I never thought I would see—someone fuck up a wet dream.

PS Stadium building in this game is one of the most boring, not fun, uninspired features I have ever seen in a game and to ask people to do it more than once is just silly. Why on earth would you ask people playing a game to do the crappiest part of the game over again?


+1

A bad idea to quiet the whiner crowd who always complains that someone had an 'unfair advantage' -same reason snailbuilding is virtually impossible now, same reason we have league adjustment money, same reason player rolls aren't random anymore etc

'for' people can justify it all they want as 'parity 'or whatever, but it's a bad idea

Originally posted by joemalaka
It was not intended to be part of building a team, so I guess you can say it is/was. GLB wouldn't be trying to change it now if it wasn't.

Thanks for answering my question Joe!









But it was not directed for you to answer

Originally posted by pottsman
The advantage doesn't start showing up until the teams get into the 40s, 50s, 60s, when normal teams start to have to care about their finances, while a reset team still has enough to afford tons of EQ even for 1 season rental players.

Then destroy everyone instead of just the people looking to dive now. Decide that there's a cap to money and stadium size and tell everyone that either they move to the level that is "appropriate" for their size or lose their money/stadium.

It is wrong to only punish those who's only sin is not doing it early enough. In doing so, you say that everyone who did this, and keep in mind... you've inflated this problem way past its importance, but everyone who did it last season gets a pat on the back.

If you want to be anything close to fair, you should let us drop at the end of THIS season, and move forward from there. Basically you've given us a rule change mid-season and NO way to make up for it. If there was ANY indication this shitstorm was coming, we would have all pulled the trigger last season.

And honestly, the only advantage anyone would have is the banked money. The effect the stadium would have is minimal, especially when you yourself say it doesn't show until the 40's... and by then we should all have fully built stadiums ANYWAY. So the stadium issue is moot.

and on top of that, if you're redoing the gear thing where cash is moot.. then why bother with destroying our stadiums anyway?

This is bullshit.

Originally posted by joemalaka
It was not intended to be part of building a team, so I guess you can say it is/was. GLB wouldn't be trying to change it now if it wasn't.

How was it not intended? Was the intention to wither away on a CPU team when you start a player, then find some random team, then hopefully find a team that is somewhat good?

No. You built a group of agents and coaches you like and you work towards winning. You create noobs for your peewee, grow them up the leagues and move them to higher ranked teams, until they're all-pros. That's where the success is, that's where the fun is...

...and that's where the flex is spent.

Originally posted by Shayde
How was it not intended? Was the intention to wither away on a CPU team when you start a player, then find some random team, then hopefully find a team that is somewhat good?

No. You built a group of agents and coaches you like and you work towards winning. You create noobs for your peewee, grow them up the leagues and move them to higher ranked teams, until they're all-pros. That's where the success is, that's where the fun is...

...and that's where the flex is spent.

You didn't follow the post I quoted. My response was about cash farm teams.

Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader

Here's a snap shot of your fully completed stadium that now resides in a level 14 league: http://goallineblitz.com/game/stadium.pl?team_id=2819

Perfect! Let's let the guy with, what ... 5 players, who doesn't own a team, tell everyone how GLB should be run -- you know ... because he's so experienced in all aspects of GLB.

By the way, is it OK that you're a GM on one of teams that's the "real problem?" http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=4236

I'm sure you and your boys did that by hard work and fortitude. Keep up the good work pointing out other's stadiums and cash. At least I'll get a chuckle out of this game before I go.

What worries me is my team down the road...

I make 1/2 of the team and my brother the other 1/2. We move the team up to some level with this iteration of our players and get to some cap (or wherever) down the road. We've built up the stadium, have some cash, and now it is time for us to retire our players due to player decline. Our choices are to take our new Level 1 players and:

A) Demote and lose everything, but fit the "system"
OR
B) Stay in place and sell no tickets eventually and lose a section of the stadium each season until we get up to the level we need to be and become competitive

It seems to me that this really puts a dent in this play style. I would think he would want to keep those who are spending $100 a month to boost 1/2 a team in the game. I don't know what we would do in this scenario. It wouldn't be our fault at that point since we didn't ask for these players to decline and be forced to retire, but we are being forced to make a decision with a negative impact either way because of the game rules.

Originally posted by ImTheScientist
WAH WAH WAH U!

Kiss your exploited cash goodbye!

... says the guy who co-owns a Lv 14 team that's 1-7 with 40 CPUs,18MM, and a full stadium. You guys should get to keep your exploited cash?? That seems fair.

BTW... are you a multi?? Just asking because of this;

FOR A SUMMARY OF THE FIRST 27 PAGES, CLICK HERE http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=3800625

http://goallineblitz.com/game/announcement.pl?id=314

Bye Bye gut jobs!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Catch22

Effective immediately the following rules and systems are going to be in place for demotions/resets and all teams.

DEMOTING/RESETTING A TEAM

If a team requests a demotion or reset, their stadium, cash and fan support will be reset to the default value for the level they are demoting/resetting to. For a team requesting a demotion to AA, only the fan support will be reset. Those default values are contained at the end of the announcement (all stadiums default with 100 level sidelines plus whatever is listed below):

STADIUM DETERIORATION/DECREASED FAN SUPPORT

NOTE - THIS PORTION WILL NOT GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL SEASON 15.

To prevent teams from sticking around at higher levels to keep their stadium and team cash, the following will be implemented if a team does not meet the league minimum level requirements or field a roster of at least 30 human players. This will be determined by a team not receiving any media revenue the last 3 game weeks of the season. Token media revenue will be added to leagues that currently do not get media revenue so that we can track this.

-- Fan Support will decrease below the minimum 30/10/0 threshold. Ticket sales at these levels will be extremely difficult. Once fan support reaches 0/0/0, no tickets will be sold.
-- The stadium will lose one section per season until the stadium is at the default value for that level. The order in which sections are lost begins at the 300 level, goes to the 200 level, and then the 100 level (minus the normal 100 level sidelines) with the section that has the most seats at that level being the one that would be lost first.
-- No stadium construction or expansion allowed.

Once a team has met the league minimum level requirements and fielded a roster of at least 30 human players they can start gaining fan support and conducting construction or expansion on their stadium.

For some Frequently Asked Questions, check out the Team Promotion/Demotion FAQ
★Dutch McQueen★ - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=940136
Destroy the pyramid, the system is flawed and doesn't work! Move towards a rankings based system more like college football.
Edited by pottsman on Feb 24, 2010 11:53:47 (Editing to put a reason since I forgot to last time - edited to link to the summary)
Edited by pottsman on Feb 24, 2010 11:53:15
Edited by ImTheScientist on Feb 23, 2010 22:00:39
Edited by ImTheScientist on Feb 23, 2010 21:59:47
Edited by ImTheScientist on Feb 23, 2010 21:59:22

BTW... are you a multi??

I think so. When I looked this morning, Pottsman and ITS logged off within 20 minutes of each other last night. Interestingly enough, 'they' both logged in at the same time this morning.

Lucy ... you got 'splainin to do!