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joemalaka
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Originally posted by foofighter24
Speaking of in-game money, after looking at your teams and your players, it is pretty clear why you don't want changes to the game.

How long will the max bonuses you gave all those players last while you SSB them while not on a team?


Lvl 26 with 120mil with a complete CPU team. Talk about playing the system over and over. He isn't proof that something HAS to happen.....he should realize he is one of the reasons the change is happening.
 
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Originally posted by mm898989
Why should new account guy have it easier than everyone else did?


He won't. But you already knew that.
 
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Originally posted by joemalaka
Lvl 26 with 120mil with a complete CPU team. Talk about playing the system over and over. He isn't proof that something HAS to happen.....he should realize he is one of the reasons the change is happening.


Yeah sure,but he gets to keep his stadium and all that money.
 
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Originally posted by czman


I understand the thinking is that teams with money have an advantage.

Is there any evidence to support that? No there is not. I have goofed around with a team with a lot of money for awhile and I can tell you it did not help me.

Winning, recruiting, and retention are all based on effort in this game. Fake GLB dollars have nothing to do with it. I have won and lost in this game and it has always been directly tied to the effort that I put in. When I lost it was because I was lazy and did not put in the effort. When I won it was because I worked hard. This is just another step in the complete wrong direction and brought about the guttural reactions of dullards.

The inherent problem with GLB is twofold.

1) Bort thinks the reason sales are down is because the tarnish has worn off instead of accepting the fact that mismanagement, and failure to give good value for the cost are the real reasons.

People will spend money on things they feel have value. If people are not spending money it should tell you something.

2) Catering to the lazy crap owners who want to win in non-casual leagues without putting forth the effort; which is what this is going to enhance, is no good for the game. Right now new players that join the game spend a season in the d leagues. They then move to a team that is not being built through an organized group. More times than not the team is owned by a lazy owner. New players are exposed to dead forums and people who do not care. Guess what they become part of that culture.

The difference between now and the way the game used to be is people used to try to win. People took owning a team seriously. That is now gone. Why is it gone though? What killed it?

I will tell you what killed it; bad owners! Bad owners sit at the bottom of the structure and reset many times. They flounder about and complain in the forums about not being able to afford gear or not being able to recruit. They cannot recruit or afford gear because they are bad owners, because they do not put in the time. That is why they have these problems.

Making it easier for bad owners and giving good owners a reason to quit is not going to make the game better. It will do the opposite.

The conclusion to this new system is very bleak. Good owners who did everything right and want to restart but find the financial part of GLB a hassle and completely uninspired boring tact on feature are going to question if it is worth it. Is GLB in the current state worth the money? Some of the good owners will say no it is not worth it.

The bad owners who never built proper stadiums and reset often will not be hindered at all and will continue being bad owners killing the moral of new players.

GLB should be taking the opposite approach. Pushing the lazy crappy owners out of ownership and rewarding people who do it right. If more owners cared and fostered a good team environment it would be better for all people especially new players.

Congratulations, I never thought it was possible, I have now seen something I never thought I would see—someone fuck up a wet dream.

PS Stadium building in this game is one of the most boring, not fun, uninspired features I have ever seen in a game and to ask people to do it more than once is just silly. Why on earth would you ask people playing a game to do the crappiest part of the game over again?


Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader

I've been in discussions with *selfish* owners about this very issue for a half dozen seasons or more. Almost every single one of you have this lame ass two-step that consists of:

1) "The money doesn't give me any real advantage..."
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2) "Hell no I won't give it up!".


 
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Originally posted by czman
This is one of the stupidest things I have ever seen.

I understand the thinking is that teams with money have an advantage.

Is there any evidence to support that? No there is not.


Here's your team:

Minors Lv 26 #7 (Alpha Conference)
Record: 1-7-0 (14th place)
Likely Cap Next Season: Lv30
Cash: $119,915,580.95
Owned by czman


 
mm898989
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Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader


I've been in discussions with *selfish* owners about this very issue for a half dozen seasons or more. Almost every single one of you have this lame ass two-step that consists of:

1) "The money doesn't give me any real advantage..."
and
2) "Hell no I won't give it up!".



The money doesn't give you half the advantage you obviously believe. So much so, I am fine with giving it back to demote. You are damn right "I won't give it up." I spent a lot of $$$ both real and game $$$ to build it. If you want to call owners who care about their hard work "selfish" fine. I can handle that label, but I can't handle having played within the rules of the game for a decade of seasons just to have the frame work change so drastic. It would be very frustrating and cause players like myself to quit. Maybe that is what you want so you can have a better chance to be lazy and win titles without putting in as much effort.

Put this in real life terms in a normal economy! You paid $100,000 for a house. You spend years on it adding $600,000 upgrades to it. Would you sell it back for $100,000? If I am still selfish, call me about your house. I'll buy it.
 
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Originally posted by mm898989
The money doesn't give you half the advantage you obviously believe. So much so, I am fine with giving it back to demote. You are damn right "I won't give it up." I spent a lot of $$$ both real and game $$$ to build it. If you want to call owners who care about their hard work "selfish" fine. I can handle that label, but I can't handle having played within the rules of the game for a decade of seasons just to have the frame work change so drastic. It would be very frustrating and cause players like myself to quit. Maybe that is what you want so you can have a better chance to be lazy and win titles without putting in as much effort.

Put this in real life terms in a normal economy! You paid $100,000 for a house. You spend years on it adding $600,000 upgrades to it. Would you sell it back for $100,000? If I am still selfish, call me about your house. I'll buy it.


You didn't pay real money to build your stadium, you paid real money to play a game, part of the game being building a stadium with fake money. By resetting the stadium, you get to play the game more.

 
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Originally posted by Fumanchuchu
You didn't pay real money to build your stadium, you paid real money to play a game, part of the game being building a stadium with fake money. By resetting the stadium, you get to play the game more.



Are you kidding me?! You can't be serious. WOW...all I can say is if you believe that this game is doomed.
 
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Originally posted by mm898989
You are damn right "I won't give it up." I spent a lot of $$$ both real and game $$$ to build it. If you want to call owners who care about their hard work "selfish" fine. I can handle that label, but I can't handle having played within the rules of the game for a decade of seasons just to have the frame work change so drastic. It would be very frustrating and cause players like myself to quit. Maybe that is what you want so you can have a better chance to be lazy and win titles without putting in as much effort.




Here's a snap shot of your fully completed stadium that now resides in a level 14 league: http://goallineblitz.com/game/stadium.pl?team_id=2819
Edited by Larry Roadgrader on Feb 24, 2010 21:47:48
 
mm898989
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Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader

Here's a snap shot of your fully completed stadium that now resides in a level 14 league: http://goallineblitz.com/game/stadium.pl?team_id=2819


What is your point...obviously you did not read my statement that you quoted. I know it is tough for you to converse with logic, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
 
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The best part about all of this bitching

Is that it's still going to happen no matter how much you don't like it

It really allows me to enjoy all the tears
 
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Originally posted by mm898989
What is your point...obviously you did not read my statement that you quoted. I know it is tough for you to converse with logic, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.


My point is that you're yet another owner who doesn't give a damn about the long-term vision of the game and is only posting because of your "outrage" at having to been called out for gaming the system. Brand new teams entering level 14 don't have fully completed stadiums--you don't deserve one at that level either. If you want to "compete", do so--but quit pretending that you deserve some sort of loaded deck.
 
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Originally posted by Maddoc
The best part about all of this bitching

Is that it's still going to happen no matter how much you don't like it

It really allows me to enjoy all the tears



I'm really enjoying watching how those that have gamed the system don't have the sense to simply acknowledge that the gig is up, and instead provide an angry confession here for us to observe.
 
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Originally posted by mm898989
The money doesn't give you half the advantage you obviously believe. So much so, I am fine with giving it back to demote. You are damn right "I won't give it up." I spent a lot of $$$ both real and game $$$ to build it. If you want to call owners who care about their hard work "selfish" fine. I can handle that label, but I can't handle having played within the rules of the game for a decade of seasons just to have the frame work change so drastic. It would be very frustrating and cause players like myself to quit. Maybe that is what you want so you can have a better chance to be lazy and win titles without putting in as much effort.

Put this in real life terms in a normal economy! You paid $100,000 for a house. You spend years on it adding $600,000 upgrades to it. Would you sell it back for $100,000? If I am still selfish, call me about your house. I'll buy it.


Ok.....your house analogy is horrible. House <> Sports team.

But I will play. Have a sports team in the Pros and then turn them into a Low A minor league team. Do you expect to be able to keep up a huge stadium?

This gives me an idea. Let people keep those huge stadiums at low levels if they want......but make them maintain them. Cost X amount per seat and per section. And harder to sell ANY tickets. That way if you want to try and keep your stadium huge it will cost you..and you will lose money. If you want you can remove sections (get no money back, because if you tear down parts of a stadium you don't get money back) and thus pay less maintenance
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Originally posted by mm898989
Are you kidding me?! You can't be serious. WOW...all I can say is if you believe that this game is doomed.




It's a video game, your stadium isn't real.
 
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