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Originally posted by MontaviousX
Why are you ignoring what I said? I thought we only cared about what happens in America now? We should let the other countries handle their problems while we fix our own, right?


Yet a couple of posters right here in this forum for intentionally ignoring context for "hand gestures" and wished to assert "Nazi" regarding it, but we'll never hear from them again regarding Hamas's actions yesterday.
 
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Originally posted by Daedalus
Pretty dramatic imo.


Lol, a Trumper accusing someone else of being dramatic. There is indeed humour in this forum!

Originally posted by Daedalus
You act like it's a forever plan, and that changes can't be made as the chips fall and more information becomes available as to impacts.


Read my point again about the long-term damage being done to America's international reputation. It may actually be too late - you're showing yourselves to be bad actors, and not a nation that can be reasoned with, nor trusted.

Originally posted by Daedalus
Their leaders can say what they want to appease their masses, but they know they will have to play ball and negotiate fair deals to avoid taking huge hits to their own economies. If a deal doesn't work out for the US, and some won't, then we renegotiate.


No, they don't. Not even Canada needs to. You may be surprised to hear it, but the United States isn't the only market in the world. You're just 26% of the world's gdp. Soon to be less, once Trump's program of isolation and self-immolation really sets in, bringing with it the contracting economy, inflation, job losses, etc. In any case, since you've just proven you can't be trusted to abide by the trade agreements you sign (USMCA was Trump's agreement, after all, hailed at the time as 'the greatest trade agreement ever signed') why would anyone bother trying to negotiate anything with you? You can't be trusted. It would be a complete waste of time. So good luck with your isolationism. Let me know how it all works out!
 
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Originally posted by Ravenwood
You may be surprised to hear it, but the United States isn't the only market in the world. You're just 26% of the world's gdp.


Have you given that stat any thought? Such a relatively small percentage of the WORLD's population, yet 26% of the world's GDP! I wonder if there's any lessons to be learned from that?
 
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And LOL to damage to "America's International Reputation"!

Do you honestly believe that any international actors took the US seriously during the "Weekend at Bernie's" presidency?

They're taking us seriously now. We can debate the "why" part of that, but make no mistake, "they" are now taking the United States seriously.
 
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Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader
They're taking us seriously now. We can debate the "why" part of that, but make no mistake, "they" are now taking the United States seriously.


You're quite right, of course. Your allies are now seriously looking at alternatives to the Pax Americana that you, yourselves, engineered 80 years ago - a system that's served Americans remarkably well, if you'd care to see it. For some reason I can't fathom, you're current government is giving up your position as 'leader of the free world' to be, in essence, irrelevant.

Edited by Ravenwood on Feb 21, 2025 23:03:17
 
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Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader
Such a relatively small percentage of the WORLD's population, yet 26% of the world's GDP!


Quoting this because it illustrates the obvious flaw in Trump's argument that the world is, somehow, taking advantage of the United States. Jesus Christ man, take your MAGA blinders off and allow your brain some oxygen. The United States is doing just fine. Which isn't surprising considering the international system for the past 80 years was essentially designed by your statesmen at Bretton Woods.

Do you know who didn't do so well for the past 80 years?

Russia.

So it's really quite a shock to hear your president taking his talking notes from Putin. Ukraine started the war? Really? I suppose those white "Z's" on the sides of the tanks rolling into Kiev 3 years ago stood for Zelensky?

Be serious. Better yet, elect a serious president. The rest of the world doesn't get to vote in your elections.

Edited by Ravenwood on Feb 22, 2025 00:00:14
 
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Originally posted by Daedalus
We could have another whole debate about why much of the above makes no logical sense to me, but, for the sake of discussion, let's assume you're right and all of what you said is correct. Dems have been in the White House for 12 of the past 16 years. Are you claiming these are new problems? Are you under the impression Kamala had a plan to deal with, let alone improve, any of these issues? Are you suggesting "stay the course" was the solution? Are you familiar with the definition of insanity?


And republicans have stonewalled any attempt at bipartisanship since the Obama era. There was a period of two years where democrats had complete control and republicans gerrymandered the fuck out of the house and senate
 
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Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader
Yet a couple of posters right here in this forum for intentionally ignoring context for "hand gestures" and wished to assert "Nazi" regarding it, but we'll never hear from them again regarding Hamas's actions yesterday.


Your whataboutism is exhausting. Just because someone in another country did a disgusting display, doesn’t take away from what is happening on our own soil
 
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Originally posted by Ravenwood
You're quite right, of course. Your allies are now seriously looking at alternatives to the Pax Americana that you, yourselves, engineered 80 years ago - a system that's served Americans remarkably well, if you'd care to see it. For some reason I can't fathom, you're current government is giving up your position as 'leader of the free world' to be, in essence, irrelevant.



Is that why those countries are now scrambling to evaluate their own armed forces? You know, the ones they should have been maintaining and investing in all along?

And LOL at the thought of the US being "irrelevant"--we've never been more relevant. The entire globe is in scramble mode.
 
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https://x.com/TheEconomist/status/1892558500145861089?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1892568383620542526%7Ctwgr%5E9b8bf9a9aefd9506525db258716c7ecccd57a580%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Finstapundit.com%2F704407%2F
 
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Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader
https://x.com/TheEconomist/status/1892558500145861089?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1892568383620542526%7Ctwgr%5E9b8bf9a9aefd9506525db258716c7ecccd57a580%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Finstapundit.com%2F704407%2F


You're proud of this ^ ? Even further evidence (as if we needed any more) that blindly swallowing Russian propaganda has turned Trumpanzees into seditious traitors. Sad.
 
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Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader
https://x.com/TheEconomist/status/1892558500145861089?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1892568383620542526%7Ctwgr%5E9b8bf9a9aefd9506525db258716c7ecccd57a580%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Finstapundit.com%2F704407%2F


LMAO saying that the US and Russia are now BFF’s isn’t the flex you think it is. Russia is essentially a third world country outside of a few cities, and THATS who we wanna buddy buddy with?
 
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Remind me, how do we feel about "Nazi" hand gestures?

https://x.com/chadfelixg/status/1893656697706533326
 
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Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader
Remind me, how do we feel about "Nazi" hand gestures?

https://x.com/chadfelixg/status/1893656697706533326


Show me the videos where each of those photos was taken from. You and I both know that that post is bullshit. But also, you keep deflecting.
 
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Also, you care to respond to the photo of Bannon at CPAC doing the Nazi salute as well?
 
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