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FairForever
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Originally posted by Parab00n
Lets do this, show me a play that every team can use consistently that holds both TE Drives, TE Post, WR Posts, or WR Cross to under 6 YPA. I don't want to just see 1 team doing it once, this play has to work for every single team every single time against any opponent.


You weren't even able to get a play that worked vs Trips HB counter once. On the other hand, lots of games have had passing Os shut down by the standard play.

But at least everyone can now see your purpose for what it really is - a selfish attempt to improve one's own team.

Note: for what it's worth, Over Will holds all the passing plays to under 7 YPA, not including Sacks. If you include negative sack yardage only trips war cross is above 6 YPA. I am on my iPad but Post and SB Drive are close, don't know which side of the line it falls under. So even in your misguided attempt to save your flailing argument, you are still wrong.
 
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Originally posted by FairForever
You weren't even able to get a play that worked vs Trips HB counter once. On the other hand, lots of games have had passing Os shut down by the standard play.

But at least everyone can now see your purpose for what it really is - a selfish attempt to improve one's own team.

Note: for what it's worth, Over Will holds all the passing plays to under 7 YPA, not including Sacks. If you include negative sack yardage only trips war cross is above 6 YPA. I am on my iPad but Post and SB Drive are close, don't know which side of the line it falls under. So even in your misguided attempt to save your flailing argument, you are still wrong.


Oh really, so if I dialed up OWMB right now vs Logzilla it would hold them under 7 YPA?
 
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Originally posted by Parab00n
Oh really, so if I dialed up OWMB right now vs Logzilla it would hold them under 7 YPA?


Who knows? It might. Bronx held LogZilla to 5.2 YPC with over will, not including the negative yardage from sacks.
 
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Originally posted by FairForever
Who knows? It might. Bronx held LogZilla to 5.2 YPC with over will, not including the negative yardage from sacks.


It has to work for everyone, thats the standard we have set. Will it work for me? Not just once, it has to work every single game without fail.
Edited by Parab00n on Oct 15, 2015 17:10:34
 
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i was with para until he showed that post of data testing those D plays - seeing that no plays but DE flats (which gets absolutely TRASHED by any passing plays from 3wr) holds counters under 7YPC is pretty crazy imo.

i am typically on the bandwagon of "just play the game how it is and make the most of it" but the problem is that this play is getting a bit close to the gl pitch/gl qb rollout cheese (which was one of the few examples of plays where i was on the "remove or fix" bandwagon)

by those results alone, i would vote towards a push for admins to re-evaluate how they adjusted the defense reading counter plays regardless of the side effects.
 
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So I ran the numbers in Excel... Vet s13. Assuming each sack is negative 4 yards...

TE Post: 5.80 YPA
SB TE Drive: 5.71
Trips WR Posts: 5.68
SG TE Drive: 5.64
WR Hook: 4.37
WR Cross: 6.23

So the best defensive play vs HB Counter does worse than OWMB against passes.
 
FairForever
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Originally posted by Parab00n
It has to work for everyone, thats the standard we have set. Will it work for me? Not just once, it has to work every single game without fail.


You haven't even found one play that works for you even once.
 
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Originally posted by FairForever
You haven't even found one play that works for you even once.


What are you smoking, I ran plays all season that worked just fine.
 
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Originally posted by FairForever
So I ran the numbers in Excel... Vet s13. Assuming each sack is negative 4 yards...

TE Post: 5.80 YPA
SB TE Drive: 5.71
Trips WR Posts: 5.68
SG TE Drive: 5.64
WR Hook: 4.37
WR Cross: 6.23

So the best defensive play vs HB Counter does worse than OWMB against passes.


Sorry, your play failed. Green Bay Packers ran it against DA and it gave up a 7.0 YPA, they ran it vs DD and it gave up up 9.1 YPA. I don't think you are understanding the standard you have set for defensive plays.
 
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Originally posted by Parab00n
Sorry, your play failed. Green Bay Packers ran it against DA and it gave up a 7.0 YPA, they ran it vs DD and it gave up up 9.1 YPA. I don't think you are understanding the standard you have set for defensive plays.


No one required a play that works 100% of the time. You are incapable in your 5 sims today of finding one play that even works at all.
 
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The irony is the guy complaining about 6 YPA passes being imbalanced in the other thread is trying to defend this garbage. Classic. I'm done with arguing because you are incapable of even seeing how ridiculous this is. It should have been clear to you when you ran the scrims.
 
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Not sure how passing YPA got brought in the equation. Apples and oranges. Yards per carry should never be on par with Yards Per Passing Attempt.
 
Parab00n
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Originally posted by FairForever
The irony is the guy complaining about 6 YPA passes being imbalanced in the other thread is trying to defend this garbage. Classic. I'm done with arguing because you are incapable of even seeing how ridiculous this is. It should have been clear to you when you ran the scrims.


WTF are you talking about, I said that tweaking plays to ensure they average 6 YPA was ridiculous.


Originally posted by FairForever
No one required a play that works 100% of the time. You are incapable in your 5 sims today of finding one play that even works at all.


That's what you aren't understanding, I showed you a play that had a 50% TFL rate against DA. What do you think that play is going to do against most teams? I can tell you what it did to my team, it held me to 2 YPC with a 77% TFL rate.

Oh, well its terrible against the pass. We can't use it.

Hmmm, well it held DD to 30.4 completion % on 23 attempts and it held DA to 52.6% Completions on 19 attempts.
 
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Man, that trips counter play is just deadly. Bronx just smashed DD with it. The moment I realized they were way too OP was when you broke that big 6 yard gain against me.



It is absolutely absurd what that Chalice plays averages, 17.6 YPA!!!! Trips WR Posts, 14.0 YPA. This is insane! Everyone can run these plays for massive gains, it must be nerfed immediately!
Edited by Parab00n on Oct 15, 2015 18:33:19
 
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Originally posted by Parab00n
Man, that trips counter play is just deadly. Bronx just smashed DD with it. The moment I realized they were way too OP was when you broke that big 6 yard gain against me.



I don't run the O on Bronx. But having a S* HB is way different than having a non-S* HB when running the play. It's like Boss who claimed the play is balanced because PORN, a team that has an O-line that doesn't run block and a non-S* HB, could not run the play successfully.
 
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