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Originally posted by Absolut Zero
Disagree, it'd just be too powerful. I'd fucking love it to help my offenses out, but defensively...its a nightmare.

However the state of outside runs is awkward. A second outside only playbook section should be put in. Outside Long vs Outside Short.

actually now that I think about it I really love this idea.

Originally posted by Absolut Zero
Disagree, it'd just be too powerful. I'd fucking love it to help my offenses out, but defensively...its a nightmare.

However the state of outside runs is awkward. A second outside only playbook section should be put in. Outside Long vs Outside Short.


This is essentially the same thing as allowing OT runs to be inside. I was just thinking about it today though...why should passing teams have 4 options and outside runs only have 1?

I don't get all the running is broken stuff. If it's there it is there and works. If it's not it doesn't always work. That is the strategy part of the game.

We ran inside today straight into a lot of MOs. They stopped us on those plays and I'm pissed. It's stupid we didn't break 7 tackles every time and score every time. The game is obviously broken.

It couldn't possibly have been that my offense was a little too predictable and they called a play to counter that, which worked. Should be able to spam that offense every game and expect get the same results?

I absolutely believe off tackles should have more flexibility. I rarely call them because they are not quite outside runs. I usually call them only when I can't find 5 outside runs that I think will work because they at least wont hurt much if they don't work.

Originally posted by Dee.
This is essentially the same thing as allowing OT runs to be inside. I was just thinking about it today though...why should passing teams have 4 options and outside runs only have 1?
you might want to call different outside runs on 3rd and 8 than you want to call on 3rd and 1. Makes sense to me.

Originally posted by _OSIRIS_
I don't get all the running is broken stuff. If it's there it is there and works. If it's not it doesn't always work. That is the strategy part of the game.

We ran inside today straight into a lot of MOs. They stopped us on those plays and I'm pissed. It's stupid we didn't break 7 tackles every time and score every time. The game is obviously broken.

It couldn't possibly have been that my offense was a little too predictable and they called a play to counter that, which worked. Should be able to spam that offense every game and expect get the same results?

I absolutely believe off tackles should have more flexibility. I rarely call them because they are not quite outside runs. I usually call them only when I can't find 5 outside runs that I think will work because they at least wont hurt much if they don't work.

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Originally posted by _OSIRIS_
I don't get all the running is broken stuff. If it's there it is there and works. If it's not it doesn't always work. That is the strategy part of the game.

We ran inside today straight into a lot of MOs. They stopped us on those plays and I'm pissed. It's stupid we didn't break 7 tackles every time and score every time. The game is obviously broken.

It couldn't possibly have been that my offense was a little too predictable and they called a play to counter that, which worked. Should be able to spam that offense every game and expect get the same results?

I absolutely believe off tackles should have more flexibility. I rarely call them because they are not quite outside runs. I usually call them only when I can't find 5 outside runs that I think will work because they at least wont hurt much if they don't work.Originally posted by Jagat0r
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you guys are completely missing the point. The entire issue isn't "the other team called the perfect defense to stop my offensive gameplan and shut me out, fix the sim". The issue is "the other team called super generic plays that shouldn't be good against the plays I called, but still shut me out, fix the sim".

Originally posted by _OSIRIS_
I don't get all the running is broken stuff.

Should have stopped here.

You coach one team and they are at vet. You don't know what is happening at lower levels. You are right, you don't get it.

Rawb

Running is definitely straight doo doo at rookie/sophomore. Finding a way to make running a little more viable in early game would definitely help diversity in team makeup

Originally posted by Absolut Zero
Disagree, it'd just be too powerful. I'd fucking love it to help my offenses out, but defensively...its a nightmare.

However the state of outside runs is awkward. A second outside only playbook section should be put in. Outside Long vs Outside Short.


Adding them to inside runs is too powerful, but adding an entirely different set is ok?

Originally posted by bhall43
Adding them to inside runs is too powerful, but adding an entirely different set is ok?

Not sure I follow the logic either. Presumably having a second set of outside runs would be a lot stronger (and take a lot more programming on Bortdog's end). I think the OT runs being inside OR out is a great change, and would benefit both pure run and balanced teams.

Originally posted by Rob.
Should have stopped here.

You coach one team and they are at vet. You don't know what is happening at lower levels. You are right, you don't get it.

Originally posted by Kayoh

you guys are completely missing the point. The entire issue isn't "the other team called the perfect defense to stop my offensive gameplan and shut me out, fix the sim". The issue is "the other team called super generic plays that shouldn't be good against the plays I called, but still shut me out, fix the sim".

Originally posted by jfbueno
Running is definitely straight doo doo at rookie/sophomore. Finding a way to make running a little more viable in early game would definitely help diversity in team makeup

Well I concede it would be nice to see power and elusive running actually work before seasoned instead of backs that fall down as soon as they are tagged, and I imagine that would solve some of your issues. I dont argue that the plays arent broken there are several fundamentally broken running plays I concede do not work, but you guys make it a run vs pass issue and it is my belief there are also many passing plays that are fundamentally broken and wont work. So in MY opinion it isnt a running issue, its a playbook issue. Im pretty sure Osiris and many others think the way they do because it looks like many running teams throw the exact same playbook and tactics out there every game, and then we constantly see them in here complaining it didnt work, and I feel when you play the good teams and run a predictable scheme it is hard to win those games.

Originally posted by _OSIRIS_
I don't get all the running is broken stuff. If it's there it is there and works. If it's not it doesn't always work. That is the strategy part of the game.

We ran inside today straight into a lot of MOs. They stopped us on those plays and I'm pissed. It's stupid we didn't break 7 tackles every time and score every time. The game is obviously broken.

It couldn't possibly have been that my offense was a little too predictable and they called a play to counter that, which worked. Should be able to spam that offense every game and expect get the same results?

I absolutely believe off tackles should have more flexibility. I rarely call them because they are not quite outside runs. I usually call them only when I can't find 5 outside runs that I think will work because they at least wont hurt much if they don't work.

I am confused. You think we are bitching about running plays into the heart of defenses?

Originally posted by FairForever
Not sure I follow the logic either. Presumably having a second set of outside runs would be a lot stronger (and take a lot more programming on Bortdog's end). I think the OT runs being inside OR out is a great change, and would benefit both pure run and balanced teams.

would just make more sense to have them be ok for inside runs. As that wouldn't change anything significant about the tactics and would ya be less stronger than adding an entirely separate 3rd dimension to running.

Originally posted by Jagat0r
Well I concede it would be nice to see power and elusive running actually work before seasoned instead of backs that fall down as soon as they are tagged, and I imagine that would solve some of your issues. I dont argue that the plays arent broken there are several fundamentally broken running plays I concede do not work, but you guys make it a run vs pass issue and it is my belief there are also many passing plays that are fundamentally broken and wont work. So in MY opinion it isnt a running issue, its a playbook issue. Im pretty sure Osiris and many others think the way they do because it looks like many running teams throw the exact same playbook and tactics out there every game, and then we constantly see them in here complaining it didnt work, and I feel when you play the good teams and run a predictable scheme it is hard to win those games.

The passing plays are primarily a progression issue. Not much can be done about that unless Bort wants to change the progressions. But I can find at least 30 workable plays in the pass play book for just about any defense you throw at me. Obviously I am not gonna put 30 plays in because that would be random and silly. But they work to a degree.

With run plays its far more likely your gonna be held under 10 points by anyone who is planning for you.