Warrior General Games

Originally posted by RMiller517
Every other archetype has their best attributes as their majors. Elusives have Speed, Agility, scat backs have catching, speed, vision and agility... Pocket passers have throwing and vision, yet powerbacks only have strength and not speed? you show me any power back that took their agility past 68 naturally and i'll show you one that wasted their SPs.

maybe the power back and combo back archetypes are close together because they're basically the same thing. good combo back and a pure power back only differ in weight and how much speed they've got in equipment. you're giving people 2 crappy archetypes instead of one good one. elusive archetype is amazing, the powerback and combo back are average.

Elusive Backs have Speed
Scat Backs have Catching
Power Backs have Strength

Originally posted by AngryDragon
ok, thanks but that is just a wall of text. this is a mess and I am done reading about it. Go ahead and gut this game as you wish. I will find a new game when this falls apart.

I'm not sure what you are looking for. The summary contains questions and answers and the OP of the other post has all the details of the archetype system. What more do you want?

Originally posted by Catch22
Actually it was an oversight that we missed. I corrected it. We are trying to avoid having penalties/bonuses on the same side of a tree and that one did just that.

I stand corrected, then. If that's what you were doing

Bravo adding speed as a minor for FB's and OL

Originally posted by RMiller517
Every other archetype has their best attributes as their majors. Elusives have Speed, Agility, scat backs have catching, speed, vision and agility... Pocket passers have throwing and vision, yet powerbacks only have strength and not speed? you show me any power back that took their agility past 68 naturally and i'll show you one that wasted their SPs.

maybe the power back and combo back archetypes are close together because they're basically the same thing. good combo back and a pure power back only differ in weight and how much speed they've got in equipment. you're giving people 2 crappy archetypes instead of one good one. elusive archetype is amazing, the powerback and combo back are average.

Those are just PBs in GLB, not in football. The game is attempting to be as realistic as possible. Jerome Bettis and Craig Heyward didn't get auto-level ups to speed (at least not major ones), but I bet their GLB agility would have been pretty high, since they were both extremely quick off the snap. But on the other hand, there aren't too many true powerbacks left in the NFL any more, if any at all.

In RL good pass blocker are usually tall (Arm span and resist being pushed back) while run blocker are usually the more short linemen (need to be more mobile for traps/pulls/second level).

In GLB all OL are better off being short, which is very much un-intutive. Any chance that the as part of the new Arcetypes we are getting this fixed ?

Here is the best type of back if you chose 2 major attributes

Elusive backs - Speed and Agility
Scat Backs - Speed and Agility
Combo Back - Strength and Speed
Power Back - Strength and Speed


why does every other archetype have their best 2, where powerbacks only have 1? By your argument, Catch, Elusives and Scat backs are too similiar and one should be changed.

Originally posted by RMiller517
Here is the best type of back if you chose 2 major attributes

Elusive backs - Speed and Agility
Scat Backs - Speed and Agility
Combo Back - Strength and Speed
Power Back - Strength and Speed


why does every other archetype have their best 2, where powerbacks only have 1? By your argument, Catch, Elusives and Scat backs are too similiar and one should be changed.

For game balance.

Originally posted by RMiller517
Here is the best type of back if you chose 2 major attributes

Elusive backs - Speed and Agility
Scat Backs - Speed and Agility
Combo Back - Strength and Speed
Power Back - Strength and Speed


why does every other archetype have their best 2, where powerbacks only have 1? By your argument, Catch, Elusives and Scat backs are too similiar and one should be changed.

I would argue carry over speed

Originally posted by RMiller517
Here is the best type of back if you chose 2 major attributes

Elusive backs - Speed and Agility
Scat Backs - Speed and Agility
Combo Back - Strength and Speed
Power Back - Strength and Speed


why does every other archetype have their best 2, where powerbacks only have 1? By your argument, Catch, Elusives and Scat backs are too similiar and one should be changed.

A true power back should value carrying over speed, since carrying aids in a multitude of things. Once you start to bring that speed higher than the mid 70's you're going into Combo territory.

Scat and Elusives are both speed based RBs, but have different roles. One is used as a receiver, primarily, and the other is used as a rusher. They've got different SA bonuses, too.

A rough proposed change:

HB Power
5'11" - 6'4", 210-260 Lbs
Major Speed Carrying Confidence Strength (+.5)
Minor Catching Agility Stamina Vision (+.25)
Bonus SA's - Lower Shoulder, Power Thru
Penalty SA's - First Step, Spin

HB Combo
5'9" - 6'2", 200-230 Lbs
Major Carrying Speed Strength Agility (+.5)
Minor Vision Catching Confidence Stamina (+.25)
Bonus SA's - First Step, Spin
Penalty SA's - Power Thru, LTS

Originally posted by RMiller517
A rough proposed change:

HB Power
5'11" - 6'4", 210-260 Lbs
Major Speed Carrying Confidence Strength (+.5)
Minor Catching Agility Stamina Vision (+.25)
Bonus SA's - Lower Shoulder, Power Thru
Penalty SA's - First Step, Spin

HB Combo
5'9" - 6'2", 200-230 Lbs
Major Carrying Speed Strength Agility (+.5)
Minor Vision Catching Confidence Stamina (+.25)
Bonus SA's - First Step, Spin
Penalty SA's - Power Thru, LTS

Why do you insist on making speed a major for a power back? Power backs are SLOWER, and do not focus on out running defenders. Therefore, they don't need speed as a major.

Originally posted by Meatdawg
I would argue carry over speed

"Carrying helps break tackles, but its main purpose is fumble avoidance" - Bort - This is why its a minor attrib

Originally posted by tragula
In RL good pass blocker are usually tall (Arm span and resist being pushed back) while run blocker are usually the more short linemen (need to be more mobile for traps/pulls/second level).

In GLB all OL are better off being short, which is very much un-intutive. Any chance that the as part of the new Arcetypes we are getting this fixed ?


PM Mat McBriar - he'll explain how those numbers were derived.

Originally posted by RMiller517
Here is the best type of back if you chose 2 major attributes

Elusive backs - Speed and Agility
Scat Backs - Speed and Agility
Combo Back - Strength and Speed
Power Back - Strength and Speed


why does every other archetype have their best 2, where powerbacks only have 1? By your argument, Catch, Elusives and Scat backs are too similiar and one should be changed.

It's not changing - stop already.